Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-30 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 1/30/25 3:25 PM, Fred Morris wrote: I don't think everything on the planet needs to support encryption out of the box if composable components are available. I'm inclined to agree with you. However, the only rebuttal that I've heard which I give any serious credence to is the ability for t

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-30 Thread Fred Morris
As a belated note, the BIND distribution used to include instructions (in /dnspriv) for putting nginx in front of the nameserver to implement DoT. Anecdotally, many people I talked to seemed to have no understanding or awareness just how simple this implementation is / was.[0] We need better implem

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-29 Thread Nick Tait via bind-users
Now I've also come across this draft from the IETF's Network WG, might be relevant? But it seems like it's been published in 2021 and is still a draft. Not sure how "standard" that is in IETF lingo, but it does seem interesting.https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-dickson-dprive-adot-auth-06.htmlI

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-29 Thread Michael De Roover
On Wednesday, 29 January 2025 11:40:50 CET Michael De Roover wrote: > Granted, for my own domains, doing zone transfers in plain TLS over a VPN > connection like WireGuard has never failed me either. TCP, I meant TCP! Goodness gracious, doing an all-nighter was not a good idea. -- Met vriendelij

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-29 Thread Michael De Roover
On Wednesday, 29 January 2025 11:07:51 CET Stephen Farrell wrote: > Hiya, > > On 29/01/2025 02:58, Michael De Roover wrote: > > > I appreciate the confirmation of this being about DoT/DoH > > > Do we have any opinions as to whether the document (which > I've not read, sorry;-) has anything to s

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-29 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 29/01/2025 02:58, Michael De Roover wrote: I appreciate the confirmation of this being about DoT/DoH Do we have any opinions as to whether the document (which I've not read, sorry;-) has anything to say about ADoT? Ta, S. OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signatu

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-28 Thread Michael De Roover
On Monday, 27 January 2025 13:26:06 CET Robert Wagner wrote: > FYI - EO 14144 has the following provision related to encrypting DNS: > > (c) Encrypting Domain Name System (DNS) traffic in transit is a critical > step to protecting both the confidentiality of the information being > transmitted to

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-28 Thread Michael De Roover
On Monday, 27 January 2025 14:05:42 CET Stephane Bortzmeyer via bind-users wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:55:08PM +, > Marc wrote > > a message of 36 lines which said: > > What is this referring to DNSSEC? > > The way I understand it, it is referring to DoH and DoT. > > > What is th

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-28 Thread Mark Andrews
You can validate all you want but you need to sign your zones and all the targets of the CNAME chains from your zones for DNSSEC to be effective. This is paying lip service to sign your zones directive. % dig www.dhs.gov +dnssec ;; BADCOOKIE, retrying. ; <<>> DiG 9.21.3-dev <<>> www.dhs.gov +dnss

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-27 Thread Crist Clark
US Federal civilian agencies have been required to do DNSSEC validation for over ten years. On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 7:42 PM Grant Taylor via bind-users < bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote: > On 1/27/25 07:02, Carlos Horowicz via bind-users wrote: > > IMHO this has nothing to do with DNSSEC, > > HEA

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-27 Thread Grant Taylor via bind-users
On 1/27/25 07:02, Carlos Horowicz via bind-users wrote: IMHO this has nothing to do with DNSSEC, HEAVYsigh Why do things seem to focus on the encryption of DNS traffic and ignore authentication of the information? I'm sure that all of us are aware that it's perfectly possible for a DoT / D

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-27 Thread Carlos Horowicz via bind-users
I found this RFC https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9076 pretty interesting as it covers all topics related to DNS privacy, including the need to prepare for quantum-resistant algorithms and encrypting DNS traffic ... I guess the author is not only referring to resolver traffic that should use

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-27 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer via bind-users
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:55:08PM +, Marc wrote a message of 36 lines which said: > What is this referring to DNSSEC? The way I understand it, it is referring to DoH and DoT. > What is the point of encrypting data with the current implementation > of certificates. I fail to see the rel

Re: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-27 Thread Carlos Horowicz via bind-users
IMHO this has nothing to do with DNSSEC, it sounds more like the urge to encrypt resolver traffic (I guess they're referring to DoT) On 27/01/2025 13:55, Marc wrote: FYI - EO 14144 has the following provision related to encrypting DNS: (c) Encrypting Domain Name System (DNS) traffic in transit

RE: Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-27 Thread Marc
> > FYI - EO 14144 has the following provision related to encrypting DNS: > > (c) Encrypting Domain Name System (DNS) traffic in transit is a critical > step to protecting both the confidentiality of the information being > transmitted to, and the integrity of the communication with, the DNS > re

Executive Order 14144 - encrypted DNS

2025-01-27 Thread Robert Wagner
FYI - EO 14144 has the following provision related to encrypting DNS: (c) Encrypting Domain Name System (DNS) traffic in transit is a critical step to protecting both the confidentiality of the information being transmitted to, and the integrity of the communication with, the DNS resolver. (i