Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-02 Thread Tagore Smith
loped that, and it may be that it takes them a lot of effort to formulate a badly formed question- that might be sufficient effort. I programmed a lot in basic as a kid, but I was still totally stumped the first time I ran into a C compiler- well that was before widespread internet access, and I

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-02 Thread Dan Jones
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 09:38 +0100, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: > Casey West wrote: > > And I should point out that I agree. However, that doesn't excuse bad > > behavior in response. Furthermore, I expect more from a responder > > than a questioner. > > Okay, I've made up my mind. I don't have the r

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-02 Thread sentinel
JupiterHost.Net wrote: Is the list better off without him? Definitely not however as I mentioned recently, simply ignoring those who aren't trying is the game plan. After a couple of weak attempts they usually leave. I rather liked Wiggins responses to those who don't try. Point them to s

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-02 Thread JupiterHost.Net
Is the list better off without him? NO, we are NOT! I don't think so, but here we are... >> -- Chris Devers Felix Li I'll third that guys! Gunnar, if you're still listening: Come back! The thing is, maybe it was a bit harsh and not always justified and we could all make imporvements *but* som

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-02 Thread Felix Li
> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: > > > Okay, I've made up my mind. I don't have the required patience with > > the lazy dogs, so I don't fit here. Of course, you can always follow > > Jenda's advice and ignore them. And I will. I'll ignore this list from > > now on. > > > > Good

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-02 Thread Chris Devers
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: > Okay, I've made up my mind. I don't have the required patience with > the lazy dogs, so I don't fit here. Of course, you can always follow > Jenda's advice and ignore them. And I will. I'll ignore this list from > now on. > > Good luck! And bewar

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-02 Thread Felix Li
m: "Gunnar Hjalmarsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Sufficient effort > In another thread the list admin, Casey West wrote: > > Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: > >> there may or may not be vol

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-02 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Casey West wrote: And I should point out that I agree. However, that doesn't excuse bad behavior in response. Furthermore, I expect more from a responder than a questioner. Okay, I've made up my mind. I don't have the required patience with the lazy dogs, so I don't fit here. Of course, you can alw

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-01 Thread sentinel
JupiterHost.Net wrote: As a support person and coder I agree with Felix and Gunnar - *some* effort definately needs done or else we'll breed a bunch of clueless helpless leeches and spend our own precious time doing it. In other words its damaging to both OP and the replier. Rather when some re

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-01 Thread Jenda Krynicky
to people who have > >> obviously not made any efforts of their own. > > > > Posting a message to this list is considered sufficient efforts. > > Please allow me to disagree. I agree with you disagreeing ;-) If someone considers whipping up a quick and uninformativ

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-01 Thread JupiterHost.Net
Casey West wrote: It was Wednesday, December 01, 2004 when JupiterHost.Net took the soap box, saying: : I also agree that lazy posters should maybe be handled a bit less : harshly lest we become the qmail list ;p If anything this is my biggest complaint. : In the case being discussed the code po

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-01 Thread Casey West
It was Wednesday, December 01, 2004 when JupiterHost.Net took the soap box, saying: : *That* (posting the "Here is my code that outputs this" that doesn't : even come close to compiling let alone having output and not due to : simple "missed the last colon" pasting mistakes) is not being : inn

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-01 Thread JupiterHost.Net
I also agree that lazy posters should maybe be handled a bit less harshly lest we become the qmail list ;p I want to clarify, by "lazy" I don't mean uninformed. If someone doesn't now how to post to a list or where to look for documentation or what perl is let alone how to use it, thats fine, we

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-01 Thread Casey West
It was Wednesday, December 01, 2004 when JupiterHost.Net took the soap box, saying: : I also agree that lazy posters should maybe be handled a bit less : harshly lest we become the qmail list ;p If anything this is my biggest complaint. : In the case being discussed the code posted after it was

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-01 Thread JupiterHost.Net
Felix Li wrote: What's wrong with demonstrating to your would be teacher that you are worthy of being taught? Either I'll do it for you to prevent you from learning anything or you make an effort. Having programmed for over thirty years, I side with Gunnar. As a support person and coder I agree wit

Re: Sufficient effort

2004-12-01 Thread Felix Li
m: "Gunnar Hjalmarsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Sufficient effort > In another thread the list admin, Casey West wrote: > > Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: > >> there may or may not be vol

RE: Sufficient effort

2004-12-01 Thread Adamiec, Larry
> -Original Message- > From: Gunnar Hjalmarsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 15:45 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Sufficient effort > > > In another thread the list admin, Casey West wrote: > > Gunnar Hjalmarsson wr

Sufficient effort

2004-12-01 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
In another thread the list admin, Casey West wrote: Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: there may or may not be volunteer programmers available who are ready to provide such comprehensive answers to people who have obviously not made any efforts of their own. Posting a message to this list is considered suff