Re: errors building CRYPT:: DES on 64 bit perl usimng Solaris studio 12.3 Solaris 10

2013-07-03 Thread Luca Ferrari
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Dariusz Dolecki wrote: > rl10/5.18.0/lib/5.18.0/sun4-solaris-64/CORE" des.c > "des.h", line 1: cannot find include file: I suspect the problem is here. I don't have a solaris machine right now, but for instance on my FreeBSD installation the most similar thing

Re: errors when importing eps file

2011-12-05 Thread Brandon McCaig
Hello: On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 10:22:26AM +, Huub van Niekerk wrote: > Thank you for your response. The variable is defined as: > > my $ps = new PostScript::Simple(papersize => "A4", > colour => 0, > eps => 0, >

Re: errors when importing eps file

2011-12-05 Thread Huub van Niekerk
On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 10:21:37 +, Huub van Niekerk wrote: > On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:15:44 +0530, Saravanan Murugaiah wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Yes, the problem with the eps file, in general, if you open the .eps >> file in notepad, you can see the below things: >> >> % >> >> %%Creator: Adobe

Re: errors when importing eps file

2011-12-04 Thread Huub van Niekerk
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:22:12 -0800, Jim Gibson wrote: > At 7:05 AM + 12/4/11, Huub van Niekerk wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I'm trying to import an eps file but I get errors. Can somebody tell how >>I can solve either of these 2 errors. BTW, I'm not using them at the >>same time. >> >>$ps->importepsfile(

Re: errors when importing eps file

2011-12-04 Thread Huub van Niekerk
On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:15:44 +0530, Saravanan Murugaiah wrote: > Hi, > > Yes, the problem with the eps file, in general, if you open the .eps > file in notepad, you can see the below things: > > % > > %%Creator: Adobe Illustrator(R) 15.0 > %%For: welcome > %%CreationDate: 9/7/2011 > %%Bound

Re: errors when importing eps file

2011-12-04 Thread Saravanan Murugaiah
Hi, Yes, the problem with the eps file, in general, if you open the .eps file in notepad, you can see the below things: % %%Creator: Adobe Illustrator(R) 15.0 %%For: welcome %%CreationDate: 9/7/2011 %%BoundingBox: 0 0 367 321 %%HiResBoundingBox: 0 0 366.7198 320.6792 %%CropBox: 0 0 366.7198

Re: errors when importing eps file

2011-12-03 Thread Jim Gibson
At 7:05 AM + 12/4/11, Huub van Niekerk wrote: Hi, I'm trying to import an eps file but I get errors. Can somebody tell how I can solve either of these 2 errors. BTW, I'm not using them at the same time. $ps->importepsfile("/mnt/Kaapstadadmin/HVW/logo-2-gemeentekleuren.eps", 0,0, 151,90); E

Re: Errors in parsing XML

2009-02-01 Thread Jenda Krynicky
From: Roman Makurin > Hi All > > Im using XML::RSS for parsing RSS feeds, it works fine for most feeds, > but sometimes it gives me following error: > > not well-formed (invalid token) at line 779, column 11, byte 83104 > at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.0/i386-linux-thread-multi/XML/Parser.pm

Re: Errors in parsing XML

2009-01-31 Thread Octavian Rasnita
- Original Message - > Hi All Im using XML::RSS for parsing RSS feeds, it works fine for most feeds, but sometimes it gives me following error: I use XML::FeedPP for parsing RSS and Atom feeds and it seems to work fine. Maybe it can help you... Octavian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: be

Re: Errors with dynamic extensions loading when running from jsp

2006-07-07 Thread Mumia W.
Ray Gebbie wrote: I checked the Socket.so file and it is readable and executable by all (and the directories are readable also). I have no understanding of what the 'Bad address' error means. This is all happening before the script even starts to execute. If I comment out the "use Net::FTP;",

Re: Errors with dynamic extensions loading when running from jsp

2006-07-07 Thread Ray Gebbie
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Re: Errors with dynamic extensions loading when running from jsp

2006-07-06 Thread Mumia W.
Ray Gebbie wrote: I have a pretty simple script that I am running on AIX 5.3 using Perl 5.8.2. The script runs fine standalone, but when trying to run it from a jsp running on a web site, I get the following: ERROR: Can't load '/usr/opt/perl5/lib/5.8.2/aix-thread- multi/auto/Socket/Socket.so' fo

RE: Errors with dynamic extensions loading when running from jsp

2006-07-06 Thread Ray Gebbie
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RE: Errors with dynamic extensions loading when running from jsp

2006-07-06 Thread Timothy Johnson
Are you sure that the user the jsp is running under has permissions to the module directory? -Original Message- From: Ray Gebbie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 12:45 PM To: beginners@perl.org Subject: Errors with dynamic extensions loading when running from jsp

Re: errors? warnings? when installing file-slurp from ActiveState repository using ppm (using ActivePerl_5.8.7.815)

2006-03-07 Thread Uri Guttman
> "TJ" == Timothy Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: TJ> I can't reproduce the error. You should contact ActiveState about this. TJ> They're pretty good about finding these things. I believe File-Slurp is TJ> a pure Perl module, so you should be able to just copy the Slurp.pm file T

RE: errors? warnings? when installing file-slurp from ActiveState repository using ppm (using ActivePerl_5.8.7.815)

2006-03-07 Thread Timothy Johnson
I can't reproduce the error. You should contact ActiveState about this. They're pretty good about finding these things. I believe File-Slurp is a pure Perl module, so you should be able to just copy the Slurp.pm file into perl\site\lib\File and you should be good. -Original Message- Fro

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-19 Thread Nan Jiang
Not really, think how much programming effort would it take to generate a file where and corresponding would be intermixed :) To be honestly, that's why I'm using perl because it is fast and reliable for processing text... Assuming that you keep only one file open at a time and your filehandle

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-19 Thread Peter Rabbitson
> I have to say that I'm very lucky because the document keeps a very well > defined order of and ... Not really, think how much programming effort would it take to generate a file where and corresponding would be intermixed :) > The last question about my approach is, I found a good place

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-19 Thread Nan Jiang
tatement to say, if FH is opened, then close it? Thanks in deeply, Nan From: Peter Rabbitson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: beginners@perl.org Subject: Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:06:33 -0500 > I know the answer of second question after r

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-18 Thread Peter Rabbitson
> I know the answer of second question after reading a quick reference of > twig... You know the answer to your first question as well - you've been looking at it the whole day :) > >I have examined the XML file and all with children are > >followed by their own s. If there is a without > >

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-18 Thread Nan Jiang
Sorry Peter, I know the answer of second question after reading a quick reference of twig... Nan From: "Nan Jiang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], beginners@perl.org Subject: Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:44:2

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-18 Thread Nan Jiang
#x27; => \&_topic_handler? If so, what are they? Sorry to bother you again, Nan From: Peter Rabbitson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: beginners@perl.org Subject: Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:40:14 -0500 > Your codes look great and it works

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-17 Thread Peter Rabbitson
> Your codes look great and it works perfectly with only some minor problems > which might due to the XML file itself (I think). However, compared your > codes with mine, there are something I'd like to ask you if you don't mind. Not that much :) > 1) what's the main difference on memory load b

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-17 Thread Nan Jiang
ut this? Sorry I'm really new in Perl XML processing... Many many thanks again, Nan From: Peter Rabbitson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: beginners@perl.org Subject: Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:31:15 -0500 On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 01:33:15PM +

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-16 Thread Nan Jiang
Hi Peter, Thank you so much for your advice. I'll try to understand what you write and let you know the results! Best wishes, Nan From: Peter Rabbitson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: beginners@perl.org Subject: Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple Date: Mon, 16 May 20

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-16 Thread Peter Rabbitson
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 01:33:15PM +, Nan Jiang wrote: > While I think and are not randomly intermixed as > nodes are generated in relevant categories such as -> > -> and then if the has > children which means it is a final category, then nodes > appeared immediatly below the with

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-16 Thread Nan Jiang
d then if the has children which means it is a final category, then nodes appeared immediatly below the with the same order as . Thanks again, Nan From: Peter Rabbitson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: beginners@perl.org Subject: Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple Dat

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-16 Thread Peter Rabbitson
> Basically, the XML file has two key parallelled nodes: and > . If there is a child existing in , > node will be existing for showing more detailed information > about the content of this such as and . > > However, not every node has one or more child, so I need > to write a loop to fi

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-16 Thread Nan Jiang
ile, a Windows Memory Error pops up and the program halt. The only root I can say is because and are parallelled inside Thanks again, Nan From: Peter Rabbitson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: beginners@perl.org Subject: Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple Date: Mon, 16 May

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-16 Thread Peter Rabbitson
> I have tried to use XML:Twig to parse a 2GB XML file instead of using > XML:Simple, but I still got an error "The memory couldn't be written". My > Perl is the latest and my RAM is 1GB. Are you issuing a $twig->purge at the end of each handler? Without it memory is not implicitly released (no

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-16 Thread Nan Jiang
ED]> To: beginners@perl.org Subject: Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:46:09 -0500 > I keep receiving virtual memory error and program runtime error while using > XML:simple to process a 2GB XML file on Windows 2000. I have changed > virtual m

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-13 Thread Todd W
"Nan Jiang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >From: Peter Rabbitson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: beginners@perl.org > >Subject: Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple > >Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:46:09 -

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-13 Thread Nan Jiang
TED]> To: beginners@perl.org Subject: Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:46:09 -0500 > I keep receiving virtual memory error and program runtime error while using > XML:simple to process a 2GB XML file on Windows 2000. I have changed > virtua

Re: Errors on processing 2GB XML file by using XML:Simple

2005-05-13 Thread Peter Rabbitson
> I keep receiving virtual memory error and program runtime error while using > XML:simple to process a 2GB XML file on Windows 2000. I have changed > virtual memory to 4 GB but still no use, so I wonder if anyone could offer > some help? Or is there any better module to process a 2GB XML file?

RE: Errors while inserting into long data type

2005-04-11 Thread Mallik
7;; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Errors while inserting into long data type Hi Mallik, String literals in Oracle are limited to 4000 characters. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Inserting+and+Updating+LONG%2FLOB+Colum ns Also, you may find using the perl-trolls alias better fo

RE: Errors installing modules on Solaris 9

2004-07-25 Thread JR Miller
dKey.xsc && mv >>ReadKey.xsc ReadKey.c >> > > -c -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -xO3 -xdepend -DVERSION= > > \"2.21\" -DXS_VERSION=\"2.21\" -KPIC -I/usr/perl5/5.6.1/lib/sun4-solaris-64i > >>nt/CORE ReadKey.c >>gmake:

Re: Errors installing modules on Solaris 9

2004-07-25 Thread Dalton Marris
: cc: Command not found gmake: *** [ReadKey.o] Error 127 /opt/sfw/bin/gmake -- NOT OK Running make test Can't test without successful make Running make install make had returned bad status, install seems impossible --- > -Original Message- > From: Eliezer Ramm [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Errors installing modules on Solaris 9

2004-07-25 Thread JR Miller
Yes, I am running as root. gmake and gcc are in the path, tested this before trying the install. Thanks, -JR Miller -Original Message- From: Eliezer Ramm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 06:00 To: JR Miller Subject: Re: Errors installing modules on Solaris 9 a

RE: errors during "mod_perl" install

2004-06-09 Thread James D. Parra
Hello, Got past the initial errors by running configure in the ../apache.x.x/src directory. However I have a new error when httpd in the source directory won't start.(below) How can I force the install? make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/.cpan/build/mod_perl-1.29/Util' /usr/src/apache_1.3.27/sr

RE: errors installing MD5 module

2003-06-26 Thread LoBue, Mark
> - Original Message - > From: "mario kulka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:37 PM > Subject: errors installing MD5 module > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm trying to install the MD5 module and following the > steps from CPAN > > website. > > I g

Re: errors installing MD5 module

2003-06-25 Thread Beau E. Cox
- Original Message - From: "mario kulka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: errors installing MD5 module > Hi, > > I'm trying to install the MD5 module and following the steps from CPAN > website. > I got to the part > C. BUILD-

Re: Errors during FTP

2002-11-26 Thread Dr. Poo
Not to sound bashing, but i have to agree with Ramprasad.. Think about what you're posting. Nobody like wild-goose chases. Try checking $@ for an error along with $! if something is going on. $! $OS_ERROR $ERRNO If used in a numeric context, yields the current value of the errno variable, id

Re: Errors during FTP

2002-11-26 Thread Ramprasad A Padmanabhan
Ramprasad A Padmanabhan" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL P

Re: Errors during FTP

2002-11-26 Thread Satya_Devarakonda
Padmanabhan" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:

Re: Errors during FTP

2002-11-25 Thread Ramprasad A Padmanabhan
Learn how to use a newsgroup better, A vague question like this can lead nowhere. What are you using for FTP ?, and on what OS ? , Personally I use Net::FTP If you go thru the docs you can get enough light on trapping errors ( No offence intended ) Best of Luck Satya Devarakonda wrote: Hi,

Peeking into a return list was - Re: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread drieux
On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 04:15 , David Gray wrote: Another INSANE, but actually useful, illustration from Jenda: { how does he pop them out? } >> Example: >> >> sub foo { (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,6,8,9) }; >> >> (undef,undef,undef,undef,@a1) = foo(); >> @a2 = (foo())[4]; >> >> pr

RE: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread David Gray
> > > Change this line > > > > > >($name, $aliases, $addrtype, $length, @addrs) = > > > gethostbyname($host); > > > > > > To > > > > > >(undef, undef, undef, undef, @addrs) = gethostbyname($host); > > > > I think mine is prettier, at least (see below)... Is there a reason > > why this

RE: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread Jenda Krynicky
From: "David Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Change this line > > > >($name, $aliases, $addrtype, $length, @addrs) = > > gethostbyname($host); > > > > To > > > >(undef, undef, undef, undef, @addrs) = gethostbyname($host); > > I think mine is prettier, at least (see below)... Is there a

RE: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread David Gray
> Change this line > >($name, $aliases, $addrtype, $length, @addrs) = > gethostbyname($host); > > To > >(undef, undef, undef, undef, @addrs) = gethostbyname($host); I think mine is prettier, at least (see below)... Is there a reason why this might be considered "Better" than doing: @

Re: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread John W. Krahn
Anthony Beaman wrote: > > Hi! I have version 5.005_03 and I'm using the Win32 version of the Learning Perl >book. I'm having trouble running a few scripts. For example, when I run the following: > > Exercise 16.1 > > foreach $host (@ARGV) { > ($name, $aliases, $addrtype, $length, @addrs) = g

Re: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread Jenda Krynicky
From:bob ackerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > daytime service reports the date on port 13 on unix boxes. > no, you won't find it on NT. I don't have NTs by hand by on Win2k Pro : c:\> telnet localhost 13 11:08:28 PM 4/16/2002 Connection to host lost. But you have to enable/ins

RE: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread Anthony Beaman
sockets. > -Original Message- > From: bob ackerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread bob ackerman
read now on this list about bidirectional sockets. > -Original Message- > From: bob ackerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >

RE: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread Anthony Beaman
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 3:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 11:18 AM, Anthony Beaman wrote: > I did this and I'

Re: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread bob ackerman
nf file. usually find it in /etc directory. > -Original Message- > From: bob ackerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 1:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:Re: Errors Runn

RE: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread Anthony Beaman
EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 09:05 AM, Anthony Beaman wrote: > Thanks! I think your advice may apply to the following code that I'm

Re: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread bob ackerman
list elements, not semicolons. use IO::Socket; $remote = IO::Socket::INET->new( Proto => "tcp", PeerAddr => "localhost", PeerPort => "daytime(13)" ) > Thanks! > -Original Message- > From: David Gray [mailto:[E

RE: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread David Gray
> Thanks! I think your advice may apply to the following code > that I'm having trouble with: > > use Win32::NetAdmin; > $username = Win32::LoginName; > Win32::NetAdmin::UserGetAttributes("", $username, $password, > $passwordage, $privilege, $homedir, $comment, $flags, > $scriptpath); > print "

RE: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread Anthony Beaman
ember, I'm a beginner. :-) (no flaming!) Thanks! -Original Message- From: David Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Anthony Beaman Subject:

RE: Errors Running Learning Perl in Win32 Scripts

2002-04-16 Thread David Gray
> Hi! I have version 5.005_03 and I'm using the Win32 version > of the Learning Perl book. I'm having trouble running a few > scripts. For example, when I run the following: > > Exercise 16.1 > > foreach $host (@ARGV) { > ($name, $aliases, $addrtype, $length, @addrs) = > gethostbyname($host

Re: errors

2001-07-27 Thread Sascha Kersken
ascha Kersken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Betreff: RE: errors >Datum: Fre, 27. Jul 2001 12:15 Uhr > > The script isn't being run on a console it's up on the web, and it does have > the value $input from the form, which is why I'm confused > > Sally > --

Re: errors

2001-07-27 Thread Jos I. Boumans
t explains this hth Jos Boumans - Original Message - From: "Sally" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jos I. Boumans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "perl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: RE: errors > Thanks for th

RE: errors

2001-07-27 Thread Sascha Kersken
nd I told you before, is NOT in the conactenation but in the fact that you're trying to concatenate $INPUT which doesn't have a value. Sascha -- >Von: "Sally" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >An: "Jos I. Boumans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , "perl&

RE: errors

2001-07-27 Thread Sally
Thanks for that, but what does concatenation mean and where have I used it? Sally -Original Message- From: Jos I. Boumans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 July 2001 09:31 To: Sally; perl Subject: Re: errors those errors mean that the variable you're trying to print out hol

RE: errors

2001-07-27 Thread Sascha Kersken
Hi! As it seems, you're trying to run a CGI script directly from the console - so the script doesn't know what to do with the CGI environment variable CONTENT_LENGTH, and later on, it doesn't know the hash %INPUT either, which seems to be the input that was submitted from a HTML form. This scrip

Re: errors

2001-07-27 Thread Jos I. Boumans
those errors mean that the variable you're trying to print out holds no value. ie, this would cause such an error: $bar = $foo . 'quux'; since I didnt assign any value to $foo, it will say i usded an unitialized variable. a little pointer for readabillity of your code; instead of escaping all

Re: errors, any way to add clarity?

2001-07-16 Thread Paul
--- Steve MacMullin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm new to using perl and am having a terrible time debugging things > because > of the (seemingly to me) quite unhelpful run-time errors. I do use: > 'use > strict;' and get an error like the following: 'Scalar found where > ope

Re: errors, any way to add clarity?

2001-07-15 Thread Brett W. McCoy
On Sun, 15 Jul 2001, Steve MacMullin wrote: > I'm new to using perl and am having a terrible time debugging things because > of the (seemingly to me) quite unhelpful run-time errors. I do use: 'use > strict;' and get an error like the following: 'Scalar found where operator > expected... at end