On Thu, 15 Feb 2018 05:46:33 -0600
Mike Flannigan wrote:
> See if some version of the attached program
> gives the results you expect.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
Thanks. The attached program does better as https://notabug.org works.
Only http://scripts.sil.org doesn't work. It seems there are special
ch
ORIGIN
>
>
> class="no-js" lang="en-US">
> Access denied | www.sil.org used Cloudflare to restrict
> access
>
>
> (+ 2770 more bytes not shown)
>
> so it's up, but "forbidden" probably as the user agent isn't s
But am afraid this is not all of it. If I test
http://scripts.sil.org/OFL then I get an error but it is fine in
firefox.
Very strange.
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>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> > Somewhere I found an example how to ch
Hi there,
Somewhere I found an example how to check if a website is up.
Here my sample:
#! /usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use LWP::Simple;
my $url="https://notabug.org";;
if (! head($url)) {
die "$url is DOWN"
}
Running above code I get
https://notabug.org is DOWN at ./check_url.pl l
...
I just worked around by using warn/die again.
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On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 13:24:31 +0300
Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Hi Manfred,
>
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 10:28:13 +0200
> Manfred Lotz wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> > I have a script where I use croak and somebody else using
Hi there,
I have a script where I use croak and somebody else using that script
gets
Bizarre copy of HASH in list assignment
at /usr/share/perl/5.20/Carp.pm line 228.
I get a message like this, instead:
Variable b has empty value! at ./x.pl line 23.
main::myfunc() called at ./x.pl line 8
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 23:26:41 +1300
Kent Fredric wrote:
> On 15 March 2015 at 21:41, Manfred Lotz wrote:
>
> > I agree but I thought that in this case I would need to know the
> > potential warning messages the :encoding(UTF-8) could issue in
> > order to take action i
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 21:11:05 +1300
Kent Fredric wrote:
> On 15 March 2015 at 20:07, Manfred Lotz wrote:
>
> > I prefer the method Charles showed. But nevertheless your method is
> > interesting as well.
> >
>
> FWIW, SIG{__WARN__} is much preferred over redirecti
I prefer the method Charles showed. But nevertheless your method is
interesting as well.
Thanks for sharing,
Manfred
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:24:48 -0400
Brandon McCaig wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 03:20:06AM -0700, Charles DeRykus wrote:
> > open my $fh, '<:encoding ) or die ...
> >
>
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 03:20:06 -0700
Charles DeRykus wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I wanted to test what happens if Perl encounters an error when
> > reading a utf8 encoded file.
> >
> > Here a minimal example:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 23:18:42 +1300
Kent Fredric wrote:
> On 14 March 2015 at 22:38, Manfred Lotz wrote:
>
> > following error message which is fine.
>
>
> Sorry for being pedantic, but I think you'll find that those are what
> we call "warnings", not
Hi all,
I wanted to test what happens if Perl encounters an error when reading
a utf8 encoded file.
Here a minimal example:
#! /usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
my $fname = $ARGV[0];
open my $fh, '<:encoding(UTF-8)', $fname
or die "Couldn't open file: $fname";
my $string = <$fh>;
clo
On Thu, 22 May 2014 16:51:24 -0500
Andy Bach wrote:
...
Very interesting experiments.
> $ perl -e '$fname = "st"; print "yes\n" if ( -f $fname and not -l
> _ )'
> The stat preceding -l _ wasn't an lstat at -e line 1.
This tells me that
if ( -f $fname and not -l _ )'
should perhap
On Thu, 22 May 2014 14:37:01 -0700
Charles DeRykus wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
> > Hi there,
> > I want to check if a file is a plain file but not a symlink.
> >
> > It seems because -f returns true for a symlink that I
Hi there,
I want to check if a file is a plain file but not a symlink.
It seems because -f returns true for a symlink that I have to do this:
my $fname = 'somefile';
if ( -f $fname and not -l $fname ) {
say "$fname is a plain file";
}
Is there a simpler way to do this?
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On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 19:00:12 -0500
Omega -1911 <1911...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I really think the quoting that you own a resource for beginners is
> outdated. Why should you have to reveal you own a site that helps
> people? I wish all the Perl guru's would put down their differences
> and get this li
Hi Paul,
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 11:37:08 +
Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 10:51:56AM +0100, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Perl 5.14 allows package blocks.
> >
> > Assume i have a file Hello.pm
> >
> > package Hello; {
> >
Hi Shlomi,
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:20:55 +0200
Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Hi Manfred,
>
> On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:51:56 +0100
> Manfred Lotz wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > Perl 5.14 allows package blocks.
> >
> > Assume i have a file Hello.pm
> >
> > pa
Hi all,
Perl 5.14 allows package blocks.
Assume i have a file Hello.pm
package Hello; {
...
1;
}
# or better here
# 1;
My question is: Would I put 1; inside the { } or should I put it
outside the { }.
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 14:54:10 +0200
Shlomi Fish wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:32:49 +0100
> Manfred Lotz wrote:
>
> > Hi Shlomi,
> >
> > Thanks a lot. This is exactly what I was after.
> >
>
> Hi Manfred,
>
> you are welcome.
>
> One
Hi Shlomi,
Thanks a lot. This is exactly what I was after.
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On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:15:22 +0200
Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Hi Manfred,
>
> Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post -
> http://shlom.in/reply .
>
> On Wed, 8 Jan 2014 11:42:45 +0100
> Manf
Hi there,
For test purposes I want to create a socket file. Something I could
list via ls -l. That's all I want to achieve.
As I didn't find any utility to create a socket file my hope is that
Perl offers something to do this.
Any idea?
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On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:01:52 -0700
John SJ Anderson wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
> > This is exactly what I don't want to do. IMHO, for testing modules
> > or applications this is the way to go. However, for a standalone
> > sc
On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:36:58 -0400
Shawn H Corey wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 17:10:51 +0100
> Manfred Lotz wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> > I have some relatively small standalone perl scripts where I would
> > like to include tests.
> >
> > Which is the rec
Hi there,
I have some relatively small standalone perl scripts where I would like
to include tests.
Which is the recommended way to test standalone scripts?
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On Wed, 1 May 2013 14:57:34 -0700
Charles DeRykus wrote:
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 1 May 2013 12:00:18 -0700
> > Charles DeRykus wrote:
> >
> > > > ...
> > > > Thanks for your detailed explan
On Wed, 1 May 2013 12:00:18 -0700
Charles DeRykus wrote:
> > ...
> > Thanks for your detailed explanations. I think that close should
> > work as I cannot see any reason why a failure of a command closes
> > the pipe prematurely.
>
> Actually, everything is ok until the close which checks both
On Wed, 1 May 2013 11:50:05 -0400
Brandon McCaig wrote:
> On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 11:45:00AM -0400, Brandon McCaig wrote:
> > One thing that I know bit me with the 'or die' pattern is that
> > with a pipe if the child process exits with an non-zero exit
> > status then close returns undef, ...
>
On Wed, 1 May 2013 10:04:15 -0500
Andy Bach wrote:
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
>
> > have a script where I log stuff to a file and the same time displays
> > it to stdout using Log4perl.
> >
>
> If you use the autodie perld
On Wed, 1 May 2013 07:58:38 -0700
"Ron Bergin" wrote:
> Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > Hi there,
> > I have a script where I log stuff to a file and the same time
> > displays it to stdout using Log4perl.
> >
> > Here is a minima
Hi there,
I have a script where I log stuff to a file and the same time displays
it to stdout using Log4perl.
Here is a minimal example where I log a command which fails.
#! /usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
#use autodie;
use Log::Log4pe
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:40:55 -0500
Andy Bach wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
> > This is really nice. I fumbled with unpack before but have to admit
> > that I didn't know about 'use bytes' which is the key.
>
> Couple inte
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:01:35 +0200
Manfred Lotz wrote:
...
> >
>
> On the one hand I believe there must be a 'better' way. On the other
> hand I like the idea (didn't occur to me) to read from the string as
> if it were a file.
>
I found somet
Hi Shawn,
Thanks for your reply.
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:50:16 -0400
Shawn H Corey wrote:
> On 12-07-12 02:08 PM, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > The following code works fine. However, I like to know how to
> > retrieve the UTF-8 hex representation of $uchar which is x'e0a487'.
Hi all,
Perhaps this is a stupid question. Anyway.
The following code works fine. However, I like to know how to retrieve
the UTF-8 hex representation of $uchar which is x'e0a487'. This is the
internal representation in Perl, so it should be possible to print it
out. Is there any function or modul
Hi Rajesh,
On Wed, 16 May 2012 16:11:13 +0530
Rajesh Saha wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for one typo. Read "GetOptions" in place of "Getoptions" .
>
> Regards,
> Rajesh
>
>
>
Here is how I do it:
#! /usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
use Getopt::Long;
my $dry_run = 0;
GetOptions('vers
On Fri, 4 May 2012 23:01:46 -0700
Jim Gibson wrote:
>
> On May 4, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Manfred Lotz wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks to both (Uri) of you for your reply.
> >
> > I recognize that my example was bad. If I just would like to
> > substitute stuff th
On Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:36 +0200
Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 08:16:01PM +0200, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > Hi there,
> > I'm looking for a Perl preprocessor which should roughly be able to
> > work like this:
> >
> > In a document I have
code should be lexical in a way that later code could refer to
previous code.
Primitive example:
This is a sample document.
## my $name = 'Manfred Lotz'; ##
My name is ## print $name; ## and I'm from Germany.
should result in the following document:
This is a sample document
On Tue, 01 May 2012 08:38:01 -0700
Michael Rasmussen wrote:
> On 2012-05-01 06:43, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > On Tue, 1 May 2012 05:57:28 -0700
> > Michael Rasmussen wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 11:58:46AM +0200, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> >> > Hi
On Tue, 1 May 2012 15:58:49 +0530
Mohan L wrote:
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> > What is a recommended Module for processing config resp. inifile
> > formats?
> >
> > One important feature I need is to use prev
On Tue, 1 May 2012 05:57:28 -0700
Michael Rasmussen wrote:
> On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 11:58:46AM +0200, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > Hi there,
> > What is a recommended Module for processing config resp. inifile
> > formats?
> >
> > One important feature I need is
Hi there,
What is a recommended Module for processing config resp. inifile
formats?
One important feature I need is to use previously defined entries.
Example:
[General]
base_dir : /somedir
[Files]
iso_image : ${base_dir}/x.iso
lib : a.so
lib : b2.so
Multiple entries like 'lib' above is nice
On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:02:55 +
Jack Maney wrote:
> Manfred,
>
> The issue is that you're storing the return value of the start method
> into $plf, and if you look at the source code, the start method
> returns 1.
>
> In fact, using Data::Dumper,
>
> print Dumper($plf) . "\n";
>
> returns
On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:01:33 +0300
Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:12:33 +0300
> Shlomi Fish wrote:
>
> > Hi Jack,
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:02:55 +
> > Jack Maney wrote:
> >
> > > Manfred,
> > >
> > > The issue is that you're storing the return value of th
Hi,
I'm trying out File::Find::Object::Rule and get a problem.
Here a minimal example:
#! /usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
use Data::Dumper;
use File::Find::Object::Rule ;
my $plf = File::Find::Object::Rule->file->name("*.pl")->start( "./" );
while ( my $perl_file = $plf->match ){
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:23:37 +0200
Manfred Lotz wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:15:47 +1000
> "Owen" wrote:
>
> >
> > > Hi there,
> > > I've got a question about XML::Mini.
> > >
> > > When parsing an xml document for some reas
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:15:47 +1000
"Owen" wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> > I've got a question about XML::Mini.
> >
> > When parsing an xml document for some reasons I want to preserve
> > white space. However, it doesn't work really.
> >
> > Minimal example:
> >
> > ! /usr/bin/perl
> >
> >
> > use st
Hi there,
I've got a question about XML::Mini.
When parsing an xml document for some reasons I want to preserve white
space. However, it doesn't work really.
Minimal example:
! /usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
use Data::Dumper;
use XML::Mini::Document;
my $XMLString = " Learning Perl
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:43:01 +0100
Gary Stainburn wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 April 2012 13:30:59 Manfred Lotz wrote:
> >
> > One example is this:
> >
> > #! /usr/bin/perl
> >
> > use strict;
> > use warnings;
> >
> > mysub;
> >
> >
On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:27:32 +0100
Gary Stainburn wrote:
> On Monday 16 April 2012 15:20:35 Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 06:53:53AM -0700, Paul.G wrote:
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Have a question, is it good coding practice to use a & when
> > > calling a subroutine, or it is not
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:07:32 +0200
"Jenda Krynicky" wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Let's say I use Template:Toolkit like this:
> >
> > <-snip--->
> > #! /usr/bin/perl
> >
> > use strict;
> > use warnings;
> >
> > use Template;
> >
> > my $variables = { nrme => "Manfred
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:03:13 -0400
Uri Guttman wrote:
> On 04/09/2012 02:28 PM, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Let's say I use Template:Toolkit like this:
> >
> > <-snip--->
> > #! /usr/bin/perl
> >
>
On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:28:14 +0200
Manfred Lotz wrote:
> Hi all,
> Let's say I use Template:Toolkit like this:
>
> <-snip--->
> #! /usr/bin/perl
>
> use strict;
> use warnings;
>
> use Template;
>
> my $variabl
Hi all,
Let's say I use Template:Toolkit like this:
<-snip--->
#! /usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
use Template;
my $variables = { nrme => "Manfred", };
my $cmd = 'Hi [% name %], how are you.';
my $template = Template->new();
$template->process(\$cmd, $
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:58:43 +0200
Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 06:10:08PM +0200, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > On 25 Mar 2012 13:11:16 -
> > Peter Scott wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:06:35 -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> > > > no
On 25 Mar 2012 13:11:16 -
Peter Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:06:35 -0400, Uri Guttman wrote:
> > no one uses braces for single scalar handles in general.
>
> I do. Ever since Damian recommended it (Perl Best Practices, page
> 217). One of those numerous times I didn't agree with h
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 02:35:28 -0400
Uri Guttman wrote:
> On 03/23/2012 12:21 AM, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:06:35 -0400
> > Uri Guttman wrote:
>
>
> > My idea behind using always braces was that then I'm always sure
> > Perl does the ri
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:06:35 -0400
Uri Guttman wrote:
> On 03/22/2012 05:49 PM, Manfred Lotz wrote:
>
> >
> > In documentation about 'open' I found:
> >
> > Note that if you're storing FILEHANDLEs in an array, or if
> > you&#x
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:09:32 -0700
Leo Susanto wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:08:53 -0700
> > Leo Susanto wrote:
> >
> >> you should do
> >>
> >> print {$hdl} "a line
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:08:53 -0700
Leo Susanto wrote:
> you should do
>
> print {$hdl} "a line\n";
>
> instead of
>
> print $hdl "a line\n";
>
Thanks for this. Didn't know that. Why is this required?
It works also without {}.
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:11:37 -0400
Michael Putch wrote:
> On 3/22/2012 3:47 PM, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > If I run the following small test snippet
> >
> > <--snip>
> > #! /usr/bin/perl
> >
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:06:35 -0500
Chris Stinemetz wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > If I run the following small test snippet
> >
> > <--snip>
> > #! /usr/bin
Hi all,
If I run the following small test snippet
<--snip>
#! /usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
use autodie;
open my $hdl, ">", "fileio1.txt";
print $hdl "a line\n";
close $hdl;
open HDL, ">", "fileio2.txt";
print HDL "a line\n";
close H
On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:15:34 +
Rob Dixon wrote:
...
>
> $_ is a package variable. You can fully-qualify it here and access it
> as $main::_.
>
> Perl itself takes care of using $_ in foreach loops by localizing it
> within every such loop. The problem is usually when it is implicitly
> use
Hi Timothy,
Thanks for your reply.
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:52:04 +0100
timothy adigun <2teezp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Manfred,
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> > I've got a strange problem with $_. It seems I
Hi Rob,
Thanks for your reply.
On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:50:07 +
Rob Dixon wrote:
> On 04/03/2012 07:56, Manfred Lotz wrote:
...
> >
> > Running this gives:
> >
> > Sub3: Issuing [uname -a]
> > Linux hogwart 3.0.0-14-generic-pae #23~lucid1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec
Hi there,
I've got a strange problem with $_. It seems I do not understand
something which might be basic. Anyway, here is a minimal example.
#! /usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
use 5.010;
sub sub1 {
my $cmd = shift;
print "Sub3: Issuing [$cmd]\n";
open my $fh, '-|', "$cmd 2>&1" or
On 4 Mar 2012 05:03:55 -
Peter Scott wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 21:31:50 +0100, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > Another question I have: Where do I find what '-|' means? I mean the
> > minus before the pipe char.
>
> perldoc -f open
>
>
Thanks, fo
Hi Peter,
Thanks for your reply.
On 2 Mar 2012 02:48:28 -
Peter Scott wrote:
>
> It doesn't have flaws. You could do it without the module with a
> piped open:
>
> sub run_cmd
> {
> my $cmd = shift;
>
> open my $fh, '-|', "$cmd 2>&1" or die "open: $!";
> print while <$fh>;
> clos
Hi,
I want to run a shell command with the following constraints:
a. I like to get the return code of the command
b. Furthermore I want to combine stdout and stderr so that the output
comes in a natural sequence like in the shell.
c. I don't want to capture the output in a variable (because the ou
Hi Rob,
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:43:15 +
Rob Dixon wrote:
> On 25/02/2012 19:24, Manfred Lotz wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I had a look at remove_tree from File::Path.
> >
> > Let us say I have a directory: ./a/b/c/d
> >
> > When I do
> >
> > re
Hi all,
I had a look at remove_tree from File::Path.
Let us say I have a directory: ./a/b/c/d
When I do
remove_tree('./a',
{
verbose => 1
});
I get the following messages:
rmdir d
rmdir c
rmdir b
rmdir ./a
Is there a way to get nice messages like this:
rmdir ./a/
On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:14:13 +0100
"Christian Walde" wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:08:31 +0100, Manfred Lotz
> wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I have a hash table where I want to do some action for each value in
> > the hash table.
> >
>
On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:08:31 +0100
Manfred Lotz wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I have a hash table where I want to do some action for each value in
> the hash table.
>
>
>
> Among other possibilities I could do like this:
>map { some_action($_) } values %ht;
>
Hi there,
I have a hash table where I want to do some action for each value in
the hash table.
Among other possibilities I could do like this:
map { some_action($_) } values %ht;
where let us say:
sub some_action {
...
return;
}
I like it because it is really short.
Questions:
John W. Krahn wrote:
Manfred Lotz wrote:
Mr. Shawn H. Corey wrote:
On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 16:54 +0200, Manfred Lotz wrote:
my $DRYRUN="--dry-run";
my $cmd = q(rsync $DRYRUN -avh \
-exclude bla1 \
-exclude bla2 \
src tgtdir
};
s
Mr. Shawn H. Corey wrote:
On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 16:54 +0200, Manfred Lotz wrote:
my $DRYRUN="--dry-run";
my $cmd = q(rsync $DRYRUN -avh \
-exclude bla1 \
-exclude bla2 \
src tgtdir
};
system($cmd);
my $Dry_Run = '
Dr.Ruud wrote:
Manfred Lotz schreef:
I like to specify a raw string, like for example $w:
my $who = "my friend";
my $w = q(This is \n $who.);
Now I want to evaluate that raw string so that the result is a string:
This is
my friend.
eval doesn't seem to help.
Actually I
Hi all,
I like to specify a raw string, like for example $w:
my $who = "my friend";
my $w = q(This is \n $who.);
Now I want to evaluate that raw string so that the result is a string:
This is
my friend.
eval doesn't seem to help.
Actually I want to be able to specify a raw string where at
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