Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread chandrakant kumar
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > On 18 August 2014 21:45, chandrakant kumar wrote: > > > > Python 3 has been a disappointment. > > I am bemused by absolutist comments like this. Could you explain how > exactly it was a disappointment for you in day-to-day work? > > Regards,

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread Saager Mhatre
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On 2014-08-19 11:11, Sriram Narayanan wrote: > > Hi Noufal, could you elaborate on this? I have enjoyed the freedom >> of non-static typing that Python and Ruby offer, but also sometimes miss >> the static type checking that C# and Java o

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
On 2014-08-19 12:31, Saager Mhatre wrote: That's just a question of testing strategy. If you're writing 'elaborate' tests at every layer, you're probably validating too much or exercising too much of the system at each layer of testing. The cartesian product of tests required to validate ever

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread Saager Mhatre
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > On 2014-08-19 12:31, Saager Mhatre wrote: > >> That's just a question of testing strategy. If you're writing 'elaborate' >> tests at every layer, you're probably validating too much or exercising too >> much of the system at each layer of

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
On 2014-08-19 14:05, Saager Mhatre wrote: [..] I realized this myself a long time ago, around the time I joined TW and started putting Ruby in production. However, all the dynlang love in the air at the time seemed to be blinding people to it. Since then I've sensed this sentiment among those

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread Baiju M
I would like to add one point about deployment of large and complex applications written in Python. Deployment of these types of applications are very difficult in Python. I would love to install single statically linked binaries for deployment. Building these binaries should be very fact also, say

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread Gora Mohanty
On 19 August 2014 12:32, chandrakant kumar wrote: [...] > Following are the problems i faced that made me revert back to Python 2.7 - > > 1. Lack of packages ported to Python 3, one of the main advantages of using > Python is a large set of ready to be used packages, so that you can build > someth

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread Sriram Narayanan
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > We have been itching to goto Python 3, but the deal-breaker for us was > Django > not being ready. Now that Django does support Python 3, we did think again > about > moving, but held off exactly because of what you mention: Lack of > Python

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread Gora Mohanty
On 19 August 2014 21:24, Baiju M wrote: > > I would like to add one point about deployment of large and complex > applications written in Python. Deployment of these types of applications > are very difficult in Python. Would you please elaborate on the difficulties? We are reasonably happy with

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread Gora Mohanty
On 19 August 2014 21:58, Sriram Narayanan wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > > >> We have been itching to goto Python 3, but the deal-breaker for us was >> Django >> not being ready. Now that Django does support Python 3, we did think again >> about >> moving, but he

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Baiju M wrote: > I would love to install single statically linked binaries for deployment. > Building these binaries should be very fact also, say less than 1 minute. There are multiple solutions to to this. One that twitter uses is called PEX, a conce

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread Baiju M
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > On 19 August 2014 21:24, Baiju M wrote: >> >> I would like to add one point about deployment of large and complex >> applications written in Python. Deployment of these types of applications >> are very difficult in Python. > > Would you plea

Re: [BangPypers] "The Python I would like to see" - Armin Ronacher

2014-08-19 Thread kracekumar ramaraju
Hi I am late to the party, adding my thoughts. - It is good to have Python spec and implementation decoupled from each other. By that it would be possible to have different run time. Lot of people say rust memory management is good, so someone can implement Python in rust. Though library compatib