Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > >> hi, >> >> what tools do people use when designing software? I tried dia once or twice >> but found it rather cumbersome >> > >  For me it is almost always a long walk

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread steve
On 06/25/2010 11:04 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Friday 25 June 2010 10:57:00 Elvis Joel D'Souza wrote: > program > has to do something one has to sketch out the data structures and > functions that are needed to get the thing done with the least possible > effort. I think you are r

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hi, > > what tools do people use when designing software? I tried dia once or twice > but found it rather cumbersome > For me it is almost always a long walk, with just the ideas floating inside my head. After the end of it, I will hav

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Roshan Mathews
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:17, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > for one particular very complicated program, I modelled the whole workflow in > dia - and found that the code worked perfectly on the first try. But I found > dia a bit cumbersome, so I am looking for an alternative. I tried freemind, > but

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread ThinRhino
On 25 June 2010 10:52, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > I am not talking of ui design - I am talking about program design. I do not > know what the technical word for it is but what I mean is that when a > program > has to do something one has to sketch out the data structures and functions > that ar

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 25 June 2010 11:09:01 Balachandran Sivakumar wrote: > > I am not referring to Design Patterns - I think flow charting is the word > > I am looking for > > You can use UML with its Sequence Diagrams and State machine > diagrams etc. to design/model systems. There are tools like

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 25 June 2010 11:01:34 Senthil Kumaran wrote: > > I am not talking of ui design - I am talking about program design. I do > > not know what the technical word for it is but what I mean is that when > > a program has to do something one has to sketch out the data structures > > and functio

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Balachandran Sivakumar
Hi, On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> > > I am not referring to Design Patterns - I think flow charting is the word I am > looking for You can use UML with its Sequence Diagrams and State machine diagrams etc. to design/model systems. There are tools like B

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 25 June 2010 10:57:00 Elvis Joel D'Souza wrote: > > program > > has to do something one has to sketch out the data structures and > > functions that are needed to get the thing done with the least possible > > effort. > > I think you are referring to Design Patterns > Head First Design P

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:52:47AM +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > I am not talking of ui design - I am talking about program design. I do not > know what the technical word for it is but what I mean is that when a program > has to do something one has to sketch out the data structures and func

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Elvis Joel D'Souza
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Friday 25 June 2010 09:34:42 Roshan Mathews wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 09:03, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > > >> UI? http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups is popular. I prefer > > >> paper/whiteboard. Nothing beats havin

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 25 June 2010 09:34:42 Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 09:03, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > >> UI? http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups is popular. I prefer > >> paper/whiteboard. Nothing beats having a designer do it for you. > > > > what do you mean by 'having a desi

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Roshan Mathews
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 09:03, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> UI?  http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups is popular.  I prefer >> paper/whiteboard.  Nothing beats having a designer do it for you. > what do you mean by 'having a designer do it for you'? > There are people who do UI design. Pay/hir

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Friday 25 June 2010 08:35:23 Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 08:22, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > what tools do people use when designing software? I tried dia once or > > twice but found it rather cumbersome > > UI? http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups is popular. I prefe

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Roshan Mathews
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 08:22, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > what tools do people use when designing software? I tried dia once or twice > but found it rather cumbersome > UI? http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups is popular. I prefer paper/whiteboard. Nothing beats having a designer do it for

Re: [BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
Nothing beats a clean white sheet of paper and a nice pen for me. No enforced structure. No barriers. Once I start, I use org mode to keep a log/track. I also find that writing documentation before the program is fully done clears things in my head. On 6/25/10, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > hi, > >

[BangPypers] designing programs

2010-06-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
hi, what tools do people use when designing software? I tried dia once or twice but found it rather cumbersome -- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mai

Re: [BangPypers] sorting of list

2010-06-24 Thread Navin Kabra
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Vikram wrote: > Suppose i have this: > >>> z1 = > [[34,44,'1011'],[40,60,'1011'],[50,50,'1013'],[40,20,'1011'],[10,30,'1013']] > how do i sort the nested list z1 so as to obtain: > bla = > [[34,44,'1011'],[40,20,'1011'],[40,60,'1011'],[10,30,'1013'],[50,50,'1013']

[BangPypers] sorting of list

2010-06-24 Thread Vikram
Suppose i have this: -- >>> z1 = >>> [[34,44,'1011'],[40,60,'1011'],[50,50,'1013'],[40,20,'1011'],[10,30,'1013']] >>> z1 [[34, 44, '1011'], [40, 60, '1011'], [50, 50, '1013'], [40, 20, '1011'], [10, 30, '1013']] >>> for i in z1: print i [34, 44, '1011'] [40, 60, '1011'] [50, 50, '1013']

Re: [BangPypers] Indian Python Software Society

2010-06-24 Thread kausikram krishnasayee
> > they did not (except possibly Kaushik who did the formatting so may glanced > at > the content ah yes, after point 9 i started concentration on the whitespaces and wiki format and not the content. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net |

Re: [BangPypers] Facebook Event for PyCon India 2010

2010-06-24 Thread Anand Balachandran Pillai
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Senthil Kumaran > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Pranav Prakash > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I believe it would be great if the admins could create a Facebook event > for > >> PyCon India 201

Re: [BangPypers] June meet up

2010-06-24 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
Using Py ode in games. The slides are not online. Mostly code walk through. On 6/24/10, Venkatraman S wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> Okay. I think we're confirmed. The guys from NSRCEL called me and told >> me that they have the room from 1500 to 1730. >> >>

Re: [BangPypers] June meet up

2010-06-24 Thread Venkatraman S
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Okay. I think we're confirmed. The guys from NSRCEL called me and told > me that they have the room from 1500 to 1730. > > Venue : NSRCEL, IIM Bangalore, > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=107073075285608556525.000469271b87949e6

Re: [BangPypers] June meet up

2010-06-24 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
Okay. I think we're confirmed. The guys from NSRCEL called me and told me that they have the room from 1500 to 1730. Venue : NSRCEL, IIM Bangalore, http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=107073075285608556525.000469271b87949e641cd&iwloc=0004692720f74c73e0a21 Time : 1530 Date : Sunday, 27 J

Re: [BangPypers] June meet up

2010-06-24 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Rahul R wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Abhishek Mishra >> wrote: >> > +1 for the apac talk, I and a friend would definitely be interested. >> >> That's 3 people including me. Anyone else? >>

Re: [BangPypers] June meet up

2010-06-24 Thread Rahul R
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Abhishek Mishra > wrote: > > +1 for the apac talk, I and a friend would definitely be interested. > > That's 3 people including me. Anyone else? > > What about the venue? We could ask TW but I'd prefer do