Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric Dark Toolbar

2011-07-25 Thread Ian Santopietro
The problem here isn't the dark toolbar wasting space, it's just making the space taken more apparent. The issue is the new Gnome 3 settings application wasting space. The new toolbar is only a color; it does not take up any additional space. I'm in support of the dark toolbars. I think they draw

Re: [Ayatana] Gnome 3 wastes Vertical Space in 11.10 & Oneiric Dark Toolbar

2011-07-25 Thread nick rundy
<<>> Dark Toolbars do draw a distinction, but it is too extreme and not appropriate for the context, especially considering that the user has to interact with the toolbar to manager the content. It should not be cast in shadow when it is something the user needs to interact with regularly. Thi

Re: [Ayatana] Gnome 3 wastes Vertical Space in 11.10 & Oneiric Dark Toolbar

2011-07-25 Thread Ian Santopietro
""" It's like keeping your tools on a workbench that is cast in shadow with no overhead light.""" It isn't. Saying that is drawing an assumption that users can't focus on a dark background. The color for each toolbar icon remains unchanged, and since most of the are light colored, the dark toolbar

Re: [Ayatana] Gnome 3 wastes Vertical Space in 11.10 & Oneiric Dark Toolbar

2011-07-25 Thread nick rundy
Yeah, the menu and toolbar are tools that act on the content. Except one is a visual tool represented with icons and pictures, the other a written (non-visual) tool. Dark toolbars surround the visual-tool in darkness, which is different than surrounding the written-tool in darkness. App menus a

[Ayatana] Oneiric Dark Toolbars vs. Apple Ipad Toolbars (Bad design vs. Good design)

2011-07-25 Thread nick rundy
Please see the following picture of the Apple Ipad for an example of "lightened" black toolbars that are not the same darkness as the OS's top panel and represent a good design: http://i.imgur.com/cfWSy.jpg Note that although the toolbar is technically "black" it is a "faded/lightened" black.

Re: [Ayatana] Oneiric Dark Toolbars vs. Apple Ipad Toolbars (Bad design vs. Good design)

2011-07-25 Thread Ian Santopietro
Respectfully, I don't think that is good design. The gradient on the toolbar make it seem very heavy. It draws your eye to a section of the UI that A. isn't content, and B. doesn't do very much. And a flat toolbar would seem disconnected and cobbled on as an add on, rather than a cohesive part of t