Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-18 Thread Allan Caeg
You might want to read this http://lifehacker.com/5295449/disable-ubuntus-annoying-update-manager-popup Alex Launi wrote: I figured I should start a new thread for this, so that you can all continue your icon vs. pop-under debate, which is still relevant for the auto-login case, although it b

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread tacone
>> If you feel this >> is important, consider proposing a more prominent place to let users >> opt-in automated upgrades. (like, say, Ubiquity. We may place a >> "Perform the upgrades for me" checkbox just under the 'autologin' >> checkbox) >> > > That would be nice, and have it checked by default.

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread Wouter Stomp
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:22 AM, tacone wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM, David > Siegel wrote: >> I think this is the ideal, but every time I start to bring up implicit >> updates, I get smacked :) > Had the same experience :-) > Understandable. > I should also say that browser upgrade

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread tacone
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:02 AM, David Siegel wrote: > I think this is the ideal, but every time I start to bring up implicit > updates, I get smacked :) Understandable. I should also say that browser upgrades are different from whole OS upgrade (not to mention we have PPA's and similar stuff).

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread David Siegel
I think this is the ideal, but every time I start to bring up implicit updates, I get smacked :) David Wouter Stomp wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM, David Siegel wrote: Most of us would be perfectly comfortable initiating an update on shutdown, and walking away from our machine, but I'

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread Wouter Stomp
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM, David Siegel wrote: > Most of us would be perfectly comfortable initiating an update on shutdown, > and walking away from our machine, but I'm not sure if less sophisticated > users are similarly comfortable behaving this way. > Most users don't care about updates

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread tacone
> My roll on the Canonical Design and User Experience team is to make Ubuntu > the most enjoyable to use operating system in the world, so I hope you can > forgive me for making "[it offers a] more pleasant experience" the main > thrust of my argument. David, as I told before, there's no intent of

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread David Siegel
My role! :) David David Siegel wrote: My roll on the Canonical Design and User Experience team is to make Ubuntu the most enjoyable to use operating system in the world, so I hope you can forgive me for making "[it offers a] more pleasant experience" the main thrust of my argument. I am not

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread David Siegel
My roll on the Canonical Design and User Experience team is to make Ubuntu the most enjoyable to use operating system in the world, so I hope you can forgive me for making "[it offers a] more pleasant experience" the main thrust of my argument. I am not decidedly in favor of updates at GDM ove

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread tacone
> People who auto-login or never restart can be handled differently. > Personally, I auto-login, so I would not use this feature, but let's not > think of gurus like us, who participate on Linux mailing lists, and let's > think instead about the average user, who might be made uncomfortable by > co

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread Martín Soto
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:01 PM, David Siegel wrote: > I am glad this is being explored. I originally suggested we consider > updates at GDM (1) to challenge our thinking about this problem through > inversion, and (2) to rebrand updates as something fun and exciting to > receive, not a system ma

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread Allan Caeg
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 09.26 -0500, David Siegel ha scritto: I auto-login, so I would not use this feature, but let's not think of gurus like us The argument "that's for gurus" or "power users" keeps popping up :) This can not be applied here: auto-login

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 09.26 -0500, David Siegel ha scritto: > I auto-login, so I would not use this feature, but let's not > think of gurus like us The argument "that's for gurus" or "power users" keeps popping up :) This can not be applied here: auto-login is enabled by checking an inno

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-17 Thread David Siegel
tacone wrote: We should definitely consider as many update scenarios as possible in order to find the one that users will prefer. We are very quick to start implementing updates and shut down without considering something radically different because many of us have experiences updates at shutdown

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread tacone
> We should definitely consider as many update scenarios as possible in order > to find the one that users will prefer. We are very quick to start > implementing updates and shut down without considering something radically > different because many of us have experiences updates at shutdown when us

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread David Siegel
Alex Launi wrote: I figured I should start a new thread for this, so that you can all continue your icon vs. pop-under debate, which is still relevant for the auto-login case, although it becomes much less important. I've copied and pasted the relevant posts from the previous thread into this

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Alex Launi
Ok, based on these questions I'm not convinced you carefully read my entire post. I addressed these in my story, but I'm happy to do so a second time. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:38 PM, mac_v wrote: > The whole "dream" assumes that the downloads are already > downloaded/quickly downloaded... > Wh

Re: [Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread mac_v
Alex Launi wrote: >> I disagree, let's imagine this scenario, together... > > The whole "dream" assumes that the downloads are already downloaded/quickly downloaded... Consider users with slow connections, so the downloads take time to be initially downloaded download is larger the longer the w

[Ayatana] Updates on Login (was: Re: [Fwd: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Alex Launi
I figured I should start a new thread for this, so that you can all continue your icon vs. pop-under debate, which is still relevant for the auto-login case, although it becomes much less important. I've copied and pasted the relevant posts from the previous thread into this one. Have at it. =