Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-20 Thread Bartosz
Hi. I forgot about bug link :-P : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/917951 Regards Bartosz 2012/1/20, Bartosz : > Hi. > > I created the bug report for this issue. > > Could you please take a look at this? > > Best Regards > Bartosz > > 2012/1/12, Bartosz : >> Hi Guys. >> >> Thanks f

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-20 Thread Bartosz
Hi. I created the bug report for this issue. Could you please take a look at this? Best Regards Bartosz 2012/1/12, Bartosz : > Hi Guys. > > Thanks for your comments. > I'm not familiar with the Ayatana process, so I have an question: > > Is any chance to improve the already opened applications

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-12 Thread Bartosz
Hi Guys. Thanks for your comments. I'm not familiar with the Ayatana process, so I have an question: Is any chance to improve the already opened applications icon look? What is official process for this? Who take the decision if the feature will be implemented or not? The "Backlight toggle" idea

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-12 Thread Ian Santopietro
Symbolic icons are better used for functions or tasks within an app/application/program (which I here use interchangeably). The back button in a browser. Who said the web browsers are broken? I use two to help stay organized. In one browser, I always have bookmarks, saved passwords and sessions, t

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-11 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 08:12, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On 11 January 2012 18:27, frederik.nn...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > symbolic icons, not desaturated corporate branding icons. > > It is a very bad idea for Canonical to tweak the Firefox logo, and > Mozilla is more of a non-profit than an "evil

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-11 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 11 January 2012 18:27, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: >> Removing all but one color from an icon by default is a bad idea, >> unless the icon is supposed to be that way. Even these exceptions >> should be kept to a minimum. The issue that arises is that there are >> two main characteristics p

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-11 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
ok, "default app" is a problematic concept. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 01:42, Ian Santopietro wrote: > I see. > > While this has merit, I don't think it's entirely relevant. What if I > have two web browsers on my launcher? What if I don't have a default > specified. The concept of differentiating

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-11 Thread Ian Santopietro
I see. While this has merit, I don't think it's entirely relevant. What if I have two web browsers on my launcher? What if I don't have a default specified. The concept of differentiating an app as default is broken. There shouldn't be a default web browser, since it really doesn't matter. Opening

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-11 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 00:48, Ian Santopietro wrote: > This seems more like a theme question then, rather than a UI one. A > custom theme is better suited to solving the issue in your particular > case. > Theming is an excellent approach towards gaining something from this topic, yes. It's just

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-09 Thread Ian Santopietro
This seems more like a theme question then, rather than a UI one. A custom theme is better suited to solving the issue in your particular case. Removing all but one color from an icon by default is a bad idea, unless the icon is supposed to be that way. Even these exceptions should be kept to a mi

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-09 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 23:57, Ian Santopietro wrote: > The indicators work well monochrome because they were designed from > the start to be Monochrome, and include only simple shapes and > outlines. Regular icons do not work this way. > > Perhaps an option to desaturate the launcher icons, or a

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-09 Thread Ian Santopietro
The indicators work well monochrome because they were designed from the start to be Monochrome, and include only simple shapes and outlines. Regular icons do not work this way. Perhaps an option to desaturate the launcher icons, or a Unity plugin if we get a plugin framework. But using this as def

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-09 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
hi Ian ;) On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 01:40, Ian Santopietro wrote: > Desaturating inactive applications in the launcher is a bad idea. It > removes the ability to recognize different icons based on color. That would > leave only shape, which isn't enough on it's own, particularly if the > current ic

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-09 Thread Ian Santopietro
I should specify; my comment was in response to Frederik. Turning off the backlight toggles by default I'm indifferent on, personally. I do appreciate that it helps people with poor vision, but I wonder a better solution is to include a Unity specific configuration tool in the repos or on CD. That

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-09 Thread Bartosz
Hi. i don't want desaturate inactive icons. Every icon has its own background square (backlight). The idea is toggle it if it is inactive, I tested it, and it works perfectly. Try it by yourself by using Ccsm. It is really easy to implement this. If you don't like this solution, I have several a

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-08 Thread Ian Santopietro
Desaturating inactive applications in the launcher is a bad idea. It removes the ability to recognize different icons based on color. That would leave only shape, which isn't enough on it's own, particularly if the current icon set has many similar icons (like Faenza). --Ian Santopietro "Eala Ear

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-08 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
like i often tell friends and others: imo, a11y and usability are one and the same thing, when we're talking about basic functionality. That is why design should be based on a solid semantic foundation: this way, porting whatever event or state notification to the human sense realms (ayatana) bec

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-08 Thread Bartosz
Hi. For me it doesn't matter if the backlight, will be enabled/toggled/disabled etc., but it does matter for my friend. You even doesn't image how much work/time is needed to enable this option, by such person which is not Linux expert. I would like to be Unity be more user-friendly for such kind

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-08 Thread balint...@gmail.com
I think with the backlight toggles mode active applications would be best noticable with not just the backlight but also the shiny frame toggleing. To me its still a bit visibily confusing the way it is now. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatan

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-08 Thread Bartosz
Hi. After install CompizConfig Settings Manager (ccsm) and enable Backlight Toggles, there is an huge improvement: http://i.stack.imgur.com/Yj66g.png Thanks! I'm wondering why such feature is not enabled by default. Do we really need install ccsm, and manually configure/tune up Unity? Is any chan

Re: [Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-05 Thread Matt Wheeler
On 6 January 2012 01:31, Bartosz wrote: > Hi. > > My friend has a big vision impairment. > In every day computer usage he is using Windows 7 with big fonts. He is using > computer for checking the mail (thunderbird), web browsing (firefox), and > watching the movies (vlc player) > > I convinced

[Ayatana] Unity improvement for vision loss people

2012-01-05 Thread Bartosz
Hi. My friend has a big vision impairment. In every day computer usage he is using Windows 7 with big fonts. He is using computer for checking the mail (thunderbird), web browsing (firefox), and watching the movies (vlc player) I convinced him to test the Ubuntu for two weeks, and tell me his