Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

The mac dialog seems clearest of all. (But technically, since it is a question, the button should say "yes") On Dec 15, 2009 9:55 PM, "Alan Pope" wrote: 2009/12/9 Martin Albisetti : > Thoughts? > Just by way of comparison, I tried shutting down the mac I have and it uses.. "Are you sure you wa

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

I think the description of what shutting down does (e.g. "all applications will be closed") belongs in the tooltip for the shut down command. The dialog itself is not the place for that information -- it should show only what you need to know, that is 1) you have an option to cancel the shut down,

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

2009/12/9 Martin Albisetti : > Thoughts? > Just by way of comparison, I tried shutting down the mac I have and it uses.. "Are you sure you want to shut down your computer now? If you do nothing, the system will shutdown automatically in NN seconds. [Cancel] [Shutdown]" Cheers, Al. ___

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

Martin Albisetti > How's this? “You may shut down your system now, all applications will be closed.” The comma is incorrect—commas don't delineate standalone clauses. It should be a semi-colon, a dash or (simplest) a full stop. “Shut down your system” sounds wrong—“shut your system down” is bette

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On 12/10/2009 04:53 PM, Duncan McGreggor wrote: Martin Albisetti wrote: On 12/10/2009 11:15 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: In Gnome dialog boxes and alerts, the buttons should always be the lowest thing in the window, the Cancel button should always be next to the main action button, and button

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On 12/11/2009 01:44 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: \\ That's an improvement, but I still prefer the original design. ;-) If we wanted to move Cancel to the opposite corner, we should do that for Cancel buttons in all alerts and dialogs (as the Amiga used to, for example), not just this one. Othe

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 mac_v wrote on 10/12/09 16:10: >... > HIG specifically says *not* to use ellipses for certain options: > "Label the menu item with a trailing ellipsis ("...") only if the > command requires further input from the user before it can be performed. > Do

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Albisetti wrote on 10/12/09 19:26: > > On 12/10/2009 11:15 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >> >> In Gnome dialog boxes and alerts, the buttons should always be the >> lowest thing in the window, the Cancel button should always be next >> to the

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

Duncan McGreggor wrote: > Martin Albisetti wrote: >> On 12/10/2009 11:15 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >>> In Gnome dialog boxes and alerts, the buttons should always be the >>> lowest thing in the window, the Cancel button should always be next to >>> the main action button, and buttons should al

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

Martin Albisetti wrote: > On 12/10/2009 11:15 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >> In Gnome dialog boxes and alerts, the buttons should always be the >> lowest thing in the window, the Cancel button should always be next to >> the main action button, and buttons should always use Title Case. > > How'

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 16:26 -0300, Martin Albisetti wrote: > On 12/10/2009 11:15 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > In Gnome dialog boxes and alerts, the buttons should always be the > > lowest thing in the window, the Cancel button should always be next to > > the main action button, and buttons s

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

A related suggestion -- it seems to make sense to me that if someone clicks shut down on the session applet and then closes the lid of their laptop it makes sense to start the shutdown immediately. Apologies if this is already the case, I don't have a working laptop currently, and I didn't get any

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On 12/10/2009 02:21 PM, Siegfried Gevatter wrote: 2009/12/10 Martin Albisetti: On 12/09/2009 06:50 PM, Toni Ruottu wrote: Here is a mockup of my idea. I do like the way you placed the counter next to the cancel button. What about putting the counter *inside* the cancel button. Eg.: [Cancel

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On 12/10/2009 11:15 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: In Gnome dialog boxes and alerts, the buttons should always be the lowest thing in the window, the Cancel button should always be next to the main action button, and buttons should always use Title Case. How's this? It's the standard layout, a

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

2009/12/10 Martin Albisetti : > On 12/09/2009 06:50 PM, Toni Ruottu wrote: >> Here is a mockup of my idea. > I do like the way you placed the counter next to the cancel button. What about putting the counter *inside* the cancel button. Eg.: [Cancel (X seconds left...)] [Shut down] -- Siegfrie

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On 12/09/2009 06:50 PM, Toni Ruottu wrote: Here is a mockup of my idea. Thanks for sending that in, pictures make it easier to have these conversations :) In general, I think that buttons one on top of each other make it harder to decide. I do like the way you placed the counter next to the

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On 12/10/2009 06:14 AM, Mat Tomaszewski wrote: I suggest filing a papercut, too! You are right. https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/495127 -- Martin ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpa

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 14:15 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Martin Albisetti wrote on 09/12/09 20:34: > > > >> On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 18:37 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > >... > >>>

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Albisetti wrote on 09/12/09 20:34: > > On 12/09/2009 04:09 PM, mac_v wrote: >> >> On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 18:37 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >... >>> >... >> The mockup is a bit of ,

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

I really like this original design. Most of the other proposed solutions strike me as a little clunky or overly complicated. The thing is to strike a balance between protecting inexperienced users and irritating experienced users who know what they are doing. I think this design does so. However,

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On 09/12/2009 20:34, Martin Albisetti wrote: Attached is also the source balsamiq[1] file in case anyone wants to play with it and propose other alternatives. If there's consensus that this is a general improvement, with mpt's permission, I will add it to the wiki page and see if we can star

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

Here is a mockup of my idea. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Toni Ruottu wrote: > First thing that seems wrong with the dialog is the placement of > buttons in relation to the message. We should decide whether this is a > message for the cancel button saying "You have x seconds left to > cancel p

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On 12/09/2009 04:09 PM, mac_v wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 18:37 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: My original design for the alert had primary text: "Are you sure you want to close all programs and shut down the computer?" The countdown was supposed to be secondary text, not primary text.

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On 12/09/2009 03:37 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: My original design for the alert had primary text: "Are you sure you want to close all programs and shut down the computer?" The countdown was supposed to be secondary text, not primary text. Any ideas why the implementation diverged? -- Mart

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 18:37 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Martin Albisetti wrote on 09/12/09 17:27: > >... > > Someone I know uses Ubuntu just about the same as they used to use > > Windows, they don't know much about the OS (and don't care

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 14:27 -0300, Martin Albisetti wrote: > Hello ayataners, > > A comment from someone during the weekend sparked a few questions for me on > how > we've implemented the shutdown dialog (attached), and I wanted to get some > more > brains on it, as it may be something relativ

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

Siegfried Gevatter wrote: > Without thinking much about it, my suggestion would be to change the > confirmation button from "Shut down" to "Shut down now" and the text > to something like: > > """ > Are you sure you want to shut down? > > You have X seconds to abort the request. > """ I like tha

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 14:27 -0300, Martin Albisetti wrote: > My understanding is that the countdown is there to: > - Prevent mistakes and allow you to bail out > - In case you hit shutdown and left without reading, it would shutdown > automatically eventually > > I'm tempted to jump into a wiref

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

Best regards Nicklas W Bjurman From: Matthew Paul Thomas To: "Ayatana@lists.launchpad.net" Cc: ivanka Majic Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 7:37:04 PM Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mart

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Albisetti wrote on 09/12/09 17:27: >... > Someone I know uses Ubuntu just about the same as they used to use > Windows, they don't know much about the OS (and don't care). I was > spying him from behind, and saw that he hit the shutdown option,

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

Without thinking much about it, my suggestion would be to change the confirmation button from "Shut down" to "Shut down now" and the text to something like: """ Are you sure you want to shut down? You have X seconds to abort the request. """ 2009/12/9 Duncan McGreggor : >  * cancel the shutdown

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

What about this: * change the buttons to say "Really shutdown?" and "Cancel" * below that add text that says "Shutdown request will timeout in X seconds" * cancel the shutdown if the "Really" button isn't pressed d Toni Ruottu wrote: > First thing that seems wrong with the dialog is the place

Re: [Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

First thing that seems wrong with the dialog is the placement of buttons in relation to the message. We should decide whether this is a message for the cancel button saying "You have x seconds left to cancel poweroff", or whether it is a message for shutdown button saying "this button will be auto

[Ayatana] Shutdown dialog countdown

Hello ayataners, A comment from someone during the weekend sparked a few questions for me on how we've implemented the shutdown dialog (attached), and I wanted to get some more brains on it, as it may be something relatively simple to fix. Someone I know uses Ubuntu just about the same as the