Re: [Ayatana] Reconsidering default font substitutions

2011-10-22 Thread topdownjimmy
That's a good point about LibreOffice, for sure. In that case I'd agree that Arial, Times, and Courier should be substituted by the Liberation family. But what about the other possible substitutions? Bitstream Charter, Luxi Sans, Baskervald, Palladio, and Gillius, in particular. On Fri, Oct 21, 2

Re: [Ayatana] Reconsidering default font substitutions

2011-10-21 Thread gespert...@gmail.com
Metrics is far more important than looks for a replacement typography for a simple reason: If metrics are different, then documents length won't match. A trained user (or at least trained enough to tell the difference between two serif or sans serif fonts) will know that Arial looks different and w

Re: [Ayatana] Reconsidering default font substitutions

2011-10-20 Thread Peterson Silva
Yeah, although that doesn't necessarily refer to that problem. 3 of the first 10 results were about bad fonts on google earth, how many might be about wine apps... Only one of them was about ugly fonts in firefox, and it was on Hardy =] *Peterson* *http://petercast.net* On 20 October 2011 20:1

Re: [Ayatana] Reconsidering default font substitutions

2011-10-20 Thread topdownjimmy
As a quick aside: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+ugly+fonts returns over 1 million results. On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Peterson Silva wrote: > Is this "ubuntu has bad fonts" really "a thing"? I mean, the Joe user can't > barely tell Times New Roman from Arial oO > > I just found this

Re: [Ayatana] Reconsidering default font substitutions

2011-10-20 Thread Peterson Silva
Is this "ubuntu has bad fonts" really "a thing"? I mean, the Joe user can't barely tell Times New Roman from Arial oO I just found this curious, but I agree with everything, and we should focus on polishing fonts and everything --- it's an aspect that makes the system look slick and all. I just fo

[Ayatana] Reconsidering default font substitutions

2011-10-20 Thread topdownjimmy
[Apologies if this is a duplicate message; I sent this first with an email address other than the one in my Launchpad profile.] I'm not positive that desktop typography falls within the scope of Ayatana, but this list is my best guess. Currently in /etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf (and fo