Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-09-01 Thread Nicklas Widlund Bjurman
How about the lower right corner for async and upper right corner for sync. That way the notification bubbles will be out of the way yet separated. /Nicklas W Bjurman ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-31 Thread Mike Rooney
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Mirco Müller wrote: > >        Questions now are... should the fade-prevention still kick in, if the > mouse pointer is hidden? Nope, I don't think so. The user can't see the mouse and is not aware of its position, so it will lead to a confusing experience (it took

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-31 Thread Mirco Müller
Am Freitag, den 28.08.2009, 11:25 -0700 schrieb Mike Rooney: > ... > While we are on the subject of mouse cursor behavior, I just want to > mention to keep in mind the visibility of the mouse. I noticed before > if I am doing something which hides the mouse cursor, the notification > would appear

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Mike Rooney
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Mirco Müller wrote: > Am Freitag, den 28.08.2009, 11:14 +0200 schrieb David Barth: >> Mark Shuttleworth wrote: >> > Mirco Müller wrote: >> > >> > > Am Freitag, den 28.08.2009, 09:30 +0100 schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ... >> > > > Mirco, i

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Tibault Damman
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 15:09, Vincent Arnoux wrote: > Given that all window control widgets (minimize/maximize/close buttons > and scrollbar) are on the right, I believe the mouse is almost never > on the left side of the screen. Why not move the notifications on the > left (top-left, middle-left

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Nicklas Widlund Bjurman
How about the lower right corner for async and upper right corner for sync. That way the notification bubbles will be out of the way yet separated. Also if access to the window control icons is a problem with having bubbles in the upper right corner, why not simply put the bubble a few em's lower?

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Vincent Arnoux
Dear all, Given that all window control widgets (minimize/maximize/close buttons and scrollbar) are on the right, I believe the mouse is almost never on the left side of the screen. Why not move the notifications on the left (top-left, middle-left or bottom-left) and stop worrying about mouse point

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread David Barth
Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > David Barth wrote: > >> However, using the XScreenSaver extension, the X server is maintaining >> this information for us, so that we can track the idle time, without >> doing any polling, in particular when no notification is on display. >> > > Yes, this gives us

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Paulo J. S. Silva
Even though I concur with Neil, that is in a large screen the new position may not be very bad, but in a small screen it is worse, let me show my use case: Actually, in a big screen I usually work with two windows opened side by side (one is latex and the other evince showing me the compiled latex

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Neil Jagdish Patel
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 12:28 +0100, Stuart Langridge wrote: > Just so it doesn't look like everyone hates it: I like the middle-screen > position for notifications. I don't think of them as being "associated" > with the notification area, particularly; I don't have very many things > actually in the

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
David Barth wrote: > However, using the XScreenSaver extension, the X server is maintaining > this information for us, so that we can track the idle time, without > doing any polling, in particular when no notification is on display. Yes, this gives us a binary "it has moved" or "it has been idle"

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Stuart Langridge
Jack Leigh wrote: > Big fan of notify-osd overall but the new vertical placement is really > unintuitive, due to being separated from everything it should be > associated with and intrusive due to its position. I too thought it was > a bug initially. Just so it doesn't look like everyone hates it

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Jack Leigh
Big fan of notify-osd overall but the new vertical placement is really unintuitive, due to being separated from everything it should be associated with and intrusive due to its position. I too thought it was a bug initially. Just so y'all know =D Cheers, Jack -- Leighman | 'And, if rain brin

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Mirco Müller
Am Freitag, den 28.08.2009, 11:14 +0200 schrieb David Barth: > Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > Mirco Müller wrote: > > > > > Am Freitag, den 28.08.2009, 09:30 +0100 schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > Mirco, is there any way to know, when the notification appe

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread David Barth
Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Mirco Müller wrote: > >> Am Freitag, den 28.08.2009, 09:30 +0100 schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: >> >> >> >>> ... >>> Mirco, is there any way to know, when the notification appears, how >>> long the mouse has been stationary? >>> >>> >> Yes, that sh

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Mirco Müller wrote: > Am Freitag, den 28.08.2009, 09:30 +0100 schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: > > >> ... >> Mirco, is there any way to know, when the notification appears, how >> long the mouse has been stationary? >> > > Yes, that should be doable. I'll give that a try today and let you >

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Mirco Müller
Am Freitag, den 28.08.2009, 09:30 +0100 schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: > ... > Mirco, is there any way to know, when the notification appears, how > long the mouse has been stationary? Yes, that should be doable. I'll give that a try today and let you folks know about the outcome. > On the p

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Thanks all for comments, bouquets and brickbats. We're experimenting with different layouts and positions, and the feedback helps. It helps more if it doesn't come dripping with sarcasm ;-). We'll let the no-fade-when-mouse-is-there behaviour bake for a while before making any further changes. M

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-28 Thread mac_v
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 14:46 -0700, Mike Rooney wrote: > I feel ambivalent regarding the vertical positioning, but I do agree > that "fixing" notifications to not fade if they appear where the mouse > is, is actually breaking it. > On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 21:20 -0500, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: > 20

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-27 Thread Paulo J. S. Silva
2009/8/27 Steve Dodier : > I think it shouldnt cost so much to fade it when it spawns unfaded because > of the mouse. Having to leave the area 40px around the bubble and to come > back into it to blur the bubble is overkill. I'd prefer having it spawn > unfaded and fading after one or two seconds,

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-27 Thread Steve Dodier
I think it shouldnt cost so much to fade it when it spawns unfaded because of the mouse. Having to leave the area 40px around the bubble and to come back into it to blur the bubble is overkill. I'd prefer having it spawn unfaded and fading after one or two seconds, or directly beginning to slowly f

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-27 Thread Mike Rooney
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Alex Launi wrote: > A bit ago I did my set of updates, which included the new release of > notify-osd, which are placed a bit lower than midway down the screen. > Putting these that far down the screen is really disrupting, and much more > flawed than their origina

Re: [Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-27 Thread mac_v
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 15:19 -0400, Alex Launi wrote: > A bit ago I did my set of updates, which included the new release of > notify-osd, which are placed a bit lower than midway down the screen. > Putting these that far down the screen is really disrupting, and much > more flawed than their origin

[Ayatana] New notification placement

2009-08-27 Thread Alex Launi
A bit ago I did my set of updates, which included the new release of notify-osd, which are placed a bit lower than midway down the screen. Putting these that far down the screen is really disrupting, and much more flawed than their original position. The biggest problem is that the information they