Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Tuesday 20,April,2010 05:53 PM, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Philipp Wendler wrote on 15/04/10 14:18: >> ... >> Am 15/04/10 14:15, schrieb Matthew Paul Thomas: >> ... >>> But even though (a variation of) that guideline has been around since >>> Windows 95, it hasn't worked out well. Many users h

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

> That wasn't the problem: the problem was that the menu was geekier than > people were wanting, because the designers were expecting them to be > left-clicking instead and they weren't. I expect the same would happen > here: programmers would say "yeah, my menu is complicated, but you can > just

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philipp Wendler wrote on 15/04/10 14:18: >... > Am 15/04/10 14:15, schrieb Matthew Paul Thomas: >... >> But even though (a variation of) that guideline has been around since >> Windows 95, it hasn't worked out well. Many users have given up on >> left-

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 11:05, Conscious User wrote: > > such a list would show me e.g. somebody's online availability, next > > calendar entry and current mood, before i decide whether to > > video-call, IM, email or broadcast-message the person. > > While I agree it's a cool idea, I have doubts

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

> pardon my ways, i'm confident i'll improve them largely with time :D > your ideas were nothing i ever wanted to trample on, as they inspired > my thinking in the first place! Don't worry, I was just kidding. :) > yes here i concur with your words 100% > > my point is related to a future thou

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

> *messaging indicator should open "Contact List" This whole discussion started when Thorsten suggested middle-click as a shortcut for my suggestion of clearing dismissed indicators. Please don't trample over me like this or my feelings will be hurt. :) Furthermore, don't forget that there are

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

i tried out some ideas on my netbook, mouse connected. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 09:56, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > We were proposing that one action be specified by the application to > libappindicator to be the default. Then indicator-application (the applet) > decides how to activate this default a

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 14:44 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > Keyboard navigation should work perfectly well, both in the standard > cases and cases where we define something "special". Ask MPT, it's > been > a requirement throughout, and it's good of you to remind us :-) Yes, it was my initia

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> fwiw, I agree with some of what you said about things not looking like > menus, and in fact early on I was the person on the DX team expressing > that I felt we may be breaking the concept of menus (although everyone > here seems to be focused on "what menus look like in other UIs" as a > defini

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On 15/04/10 14:27, Cody Russell wrote: > fwiw, I agree with some of what you said about things not looking like > menus, and in fact early on I was the person on the DX team expressing > that I felt we may be breaking the concept of menus (although everyone > here seems to be focused on "what menus

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 08:06 -0500, Philipp Wendler wrote: > On 15/04/10 07:48, Cody Russell wrote: > > I guess my concern is that we're talking about breaking the concept > of > > menus after it was previously decided at a UDS (by Mark, UX and DX > > teams, and community) that indicators should beh

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

Hi, Am 15/04/10 14:15, schrieb Matthew Paul Thomas: > Yes, as the Windows UX guidelines say: "Left single-click" should > "Display whatever users most likely want to see", while "Right-click" > should "Display the context menu, with the default command in bold." >

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> Yes, as the Windows UX guidelines say: "Left single-click" should > "Display whatever users most likely want to see", while "Right-click" > should "Display the context menu, with the default command in bold." > > > B

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Remco wrote on 15/04/10 09:01: >... > There is precedent for this in Windows. Tray menus can have a > bold-faced item, which is activated on double click or middle click. > It's one of the few things that fairly consistent among Windows' tray > icons.

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On 15/04/10 09:01, Remco wrote: > There is precedent for this in Windows. Tray menus can have a > bold-faced item, which is activated on double click or middle click. > It's one of the few things that fairly consistent among Windows' tray > icons. That's interesting, I wasn't aware of it. Let's di

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Thursday 15,April,2010 04:13 PM, Conscious User wrote: > >> ... which is exactly what Conscious User and I said we were not proposing. We >> were proposing that one action be specified by the application to >> libappindicator to be the default. Then indicator-application (the applet) >> decides

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

> ... which is exactly what Conscious User and I said we were not proposing. We > were proposing that one action be specified by the application to > libappindicator to be the default. Then indicator-application (the applet) > decides how to activate this default action, which we proposed to be >

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 09:48, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 15/04/10 07:42, Chow Loong Jin wrote: >> You are missing my point. I am not disputing the decision to use menus >> as a model (like you said, that is for a different discussion). I am >> saying that we should not keep ourselves locked to

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

Hello, On 15/04/10 07:48, Cody Russell wrote: > I guess my concern is that we're talking about breaking the concept of > menus after it was previously decided at a UDS (by Mark, UX and DX > teams, and community) that indicators should behave like (and be > implemented based upon) menus. Honestly,

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Thursday 15,April,2010 03:48 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > [...] >> >> The following point has probably been raised before and beaten to death >> before, >> but the time taken to aim for one application indicator icon, click for menu >> to >> open, then aim *again* for the menu item needed is

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On 15/04/10 07:42, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > You are missing my point. I am not disputing the decision to use menus > as a model (like you said, that is for a different discussion). I am > saying that we should not keep ourselves locked to menus and menus > alone, rejecting all other features for the

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Thursday 15,April,2010 01:24 PM, Cody Russell wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 11:09 +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote: >> Frankly speaking, I'm quite tired of this reasoning. "Menus don't do >> this", >> "Menus don't do that". Did you also realize that menus don't have >> icons as >> buttons? They have

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

> I guess my concern is that we're talking about breaking the concept of > menus after it was previously decided at a UDS (by Mark, UX and DX > teams, and community) that indicators should behave like (and be > implemented based upon) menus. I don't like the idea of adding in > special-case code

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 06:42 +0200, Conscious User wrote: > With respect to this point, I think you and Mark are both attacking a > straw man. You are reacting like what is being proposed is to assign > middle-click to random actions without any constraint, when what is > *actually* being proposed:

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> > We're already stretching that slightly with the inclusion of things like > > sliders and volume scrolling, but we're (hopefully!) not stretching too > > far away from the concept of a menu. But we we should really exercise > > restraint here and not doing crazy stuff just because we can. Jus

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Thursday 15,April,2010 07:53 AM, Cody Russell wrote: > On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 20:00 +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote: >> Then how about middle click activating a "default action" of an >> indicator? >> Perhaps have one of the actions that are present in the menu be >> specified by the >> application a

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 16:14, Chow Loong Jin wrote: Really? I thought all Ubuntu installations had 3-button emulation enabled > (left+right click = middle click) by default, which I had mentioned in my > previous post (the one between this one and the quoted one). > and here's the "modifier". s

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Wednesday 14,April,2010 09:54 PM, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 14:00, Chow Loong Jin > wrote: > > Then how about middle click activating a "default action" of an > indicator? > > [...] > > I think this would lead to the same kind

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

> using the middle button would also be inconsistent with Gnome's > current guidelines, see: > http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/input-mouse.html.en#mouse-buttons > according to the above guidelines, usage of the middle button would in > this particular case be addressed to the adva

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 14:00, Chow Loong Jin wrote: > Then how about middle click activating a "default action" of an indicator? > [...] > I think this would lead to the same kind of standardization that the > application > indicators is supposed to bring, without cutting back too much on > func

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On Wednesday 14,April,2010 07:32 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > [...] > > No. Indicators are menus, they have left-click only. There are > occasionally "hidden treasures" like the results of scroll-wheel on the > sound indicator, but we're not going back to the complete anarchy of > panel applets

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

> No. Indicators are menus, they have left-click only. There are > occasionally "hidden treasures" like the results of scroll-wheel on the > sound indicator, but we're not going back to the complete anarchy of > panel applets that randomly support different clicks and itneractions. Such anarchy

Re: [Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

On 14/04/10 09:24, Conscious User wrote: > >>> So I was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting for the >>> messaging menu to have a "clear" button of some sort, >>> which would remove all indicators at once. >>> >> Left and right-click or taken, but perhaps middle-click on the icon >> co

[Ayatana] Middle-click on indicators

> > So I was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting for the > > messaging menu to have a "clear" button of some sort, > > which would remove all indicators at once. > > Left and right-click or taken, but perhaps middle-click on the icon > could be offered as shortcut for this? That could be one