Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Op maandag 14-12-2009 om 09:48 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Matthew Paul Thomas: > The messaging menu design for Lucid indicates that a non-default > application is running using "an inward-pointing triangle at the > leading edge of the menu item". How do you define a "non-default application"?

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:51, Matthew Paul Thomas > wrote: > > The design for Lucid follows this basic approach. "An application > should > register itself only if, and as long as, you have an account or > analogous configuration

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:51, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > The design for Lucid follows this basic approach. "An application should > register itself only if, and as long as, you have an account or > analogous configuration set up in that application (for example, an > e-mail account or a feed su

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Shuttleworth wrote on 09/11/09 11:11: > > Martín Soto wrote: >... >> Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't it be possible to show only >> those applications for which the user has already configured accounts? >> Without account access data, t

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jan Claeys wrote on 07/11/09 05:24: > > Op vrijdag 06-11-2009 om 16:36 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Jeremy > Nickurak: >> >> I believe strongly that the only things that should show up in the >> menu should be the things that are *currently running*

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: >> How does a user go from "Here's a list of apps you can launch" to "Here are >> some apps that should always start when you log in"? Should there be a >> dialog asking if you want those apps to auto-start the next time we log in? >> > > I just tried what I thought was th

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

e- > From: Mark Shuttleworth > To: Ayatana List > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if > they are not on > Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:06:22 + > > Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: > > I must agree. > > > > It feels now very odd t

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

If this is the direction, let it be... However, I have the feeling that it would be more consistent to keep the icons and only get rid of them all at once. Instead of having some menus with and others without icons. Visual consistency is important, IMHO. best, Paulo 2009/11/9 Mark Shuttleworth

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

. I think they want to get away from the "old" model but they havent thought of anything concrete to replace it yet. Regards Shane Fagan -Original Message- From: Mark Shuttleworth To: Ayatana List Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are n

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Martín Soto wrote: > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Mark Shuttleworth > wrote: > > The current discussions I had with MPT about a related matter > panned out roughly like this: > > - the main, default apps should be here by default (Evolution, > Empathy, G

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Paulo J. S. Silva wrote: > I must agree. > > It feels now very odd to see the Systems menu without any icons (only > to open a submenu like Administration or Settings with tons of icons > in it). All other menus in the panel have icons (applications and > places). I don't see why Systems doesn't. I

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > The current discussions I had with MPT about a related matter panned out > roughly like this: > > - the main, default apps should be here by default (Evolution, Empathy, > Gwibber) > - other apps should install themselves here when fir

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

I must agree. It feels now very odd to see the Systems menu without any icons (only to open a submenu like Administration or Settings with tons of icons in it). All other menus in the panel have icons (applications and places). I don't see why Systems doesn't. I knew something was perturbing me an

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 16:12 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > We're really moving away from app icons in menus. Really. Really > really :-) > > Mark > ___ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 16:57, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > We're really moving away from app icons in menus. Really. Really really > :-) > Can I assume that would preclude using icons in the launcher menu to indicate things? ___ Mailing list: https://la

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

We're really moving away from app icons in menus. Really. Really really :-) Mark signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://laun

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

> > How does a user go from "Here's a list of apps you can launch" to "Here are > some apps that should always start when you log in"? Should there be a > dialog asking if you want those apps to auto-start the next time we log in? > I just tried what I thought was the most obvious path: I opened s

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Here's a related question: I've always had a mail notifiier running all the time. I always want it running. I want it running the *moment* I log in. I don't want to have to go into a menu and tell it to launch evolution every time I log in. (For that matter, I really don't want the Evolution gui

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Martin Albisetti wrote: > Yes, this may be a good idea so we can guarantee a certain level of > sanity with our default applications (or the ones we have in our repos). The current discussions I had with MPT about a related matter panned out roughly like this: - the main, default apps should be h

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Scott E. Armitage wrote: > > I disagree. If the menu options clearly invite you to DTRT, then > you shouldn't have to worry about things like "the process is > running". You click on the menu, you start watching email, you get > notifications, you jump to your relevant email folder.

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 15:25 -0300, Martin Albisetti wrote: > mac_v wrote: > > We could use icon and toggle transparencies to show if the app is active > > or not. Attaching a mockup... > > Wow, this is nice! > I think this is getting us there, but I still feel we need a stronger > indication tha

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:16, mac_v wrote: > > -1 , Checkboxes are not really ideal for indicating app working. > A checkbox ,would mean that the item can also be unchecked , which in > this case cannot be. > You could certainly uncheck them. Doing so would simple close the application. > As *

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

mac_v wrote: We could use icon and toggle transparencies to show if the app is active or not. Attaching a mockup... Wow, this is nice! I think this is getting us there, but I still feel we need a stronger indication that the application isn't running. How about we had the text, underneath eac

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Alex Launi wrote: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Mark Shuttleworth > wrote: > > In the design discussions, there was supposed to be a difference > between the menu entries when the application is running, and when > it is not running. So, for example: > > > T

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009/11/6 Alex Launi : > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: >> >> In the design discussions, there was supposed to be a difference between >> the menu entries when the application is running, and when it is not >> running. So, for example: > > This isn't good enough. That req

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > In the design discussions, there was supposed to be a difference between > the menu entries when the application is running, and when it is not > running. So, for example: This isn't good enough. That requires I know the difference in t

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > So, what is the indication that "the thing is not running"? It took me > months to find out that, just because Evolution showed up in the > messaging menu, it didn't mean that part of evolution was running and > checking for new messages. That I had to open the evolution UI

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Sorry that you get this message twice, Jeremy. I forgot to reply to the list itself at first try. On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 13:01 -0700, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > So, what is the indication that "the thing is not running"? It took me > months to find out that, just because Evolution showed up in the >

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

So, what is the indication that "the thing is not running"? It took me months to find out that, just because Evolution showed up in the messaging menu, it didn't mean that part of evolution was running and checking for new messages. That I had to open the evolution UI in addition to it being in the

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

mac_v wrote: > But rather wanted to say, the product is still in development cycle. > When a product is in *development cycle* it is reasonable to find > several changes in the apps almost every day. > > We cant keep constantly banding the doors for an answer which might > change at anytime during

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Taking this thread up again after two weeks vacation, sorry if there's been a resolution in another thread already. Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > Currently this how I would expect it to work: The message indicator > will indicate if there is a message there. If there are no messages, > there is no in

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Ted Gould wrote: > On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 17:42 +0300, Juha Siltala wrote: >> Is this true? Don't we set our preferred apps in gconf? Can it >> not be asked for this information? > > There is currently a way to set the preferred applications for a few > categories, wh

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 17:42 +0300, Juha Siltala wrote: > Is this true? Don't we set our preferred apps in gconf? Can it > not be asked for this information? There is currently a way to set the preferred applications for a few categories, which then saves the setting in GConf. But that's a proble

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 16:45 -0400, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > * If infact the message indicator is indeed an indicator and not > turning into a dashboard, which no one has been able to answer. I won't be able to answer that, as I have no clue what a dashboard is. All in all I care very little about

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 13:19 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:11:02 +0530 mac_v wrote: > >On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 06:56 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:58:37 +0530 mac_v wrote: > >> >Anyone subscribed to the wiki page would realize that the messaging

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:11:02 +0530 mac_v wrote: >On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 06:56 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:58:37 +0530 mac_v wrote: >> >Anyone subscribed to the wiki page would realize that the messaging menu >> >specs are changed almost every other day[in the past coup

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:28 AM, mac_v wrote: > On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 16:45 -0400, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark >> Shuttleworth wrote: >> > Stuart Langridge wrote: >> > >> > Am I missing something here? If Pidgin's not running then by definition >> > I can't have a

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 06:56 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:58:37 +0530 mac_v wrote: > >Anyone subscribed to the wiki page would realize that the messaging menu > >specs are changed almost every other day[in the past couple of weeks]. > >They seem to be testing it and tryin

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:58:37 +0530 mac_v wrote: >Anyone subscribed to the wiki page would realize that the messaging menu >specs are changed almost every other day[in the past couple of weeks]. >They seem to be testing it and trying to find a proper solution! I think >if we are a *little patient*

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

2009/9/5 mac_v > On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 16:45 -0400, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark > > Shuttleworth wrote: > > > Stuart Langridge wrote: > > > > > > Am I missing something here? If Pidgin's not running then by definition > > > I can't have any messages in it. Is

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 16:45 -0400, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark > Shuttleworth wrote: > > Stuart Langridge wrote: > > > > Am I missing something here? If Pidgin's not running then by definition > > I can't have any messages in it. Is the messaging menu just another

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Stuart Langridge wrote: > > Am I missing something here? If Pidgin's not running then by definition > I can't have any messages in it. Is the messaging menu just another > applications menu but only containing apps which are capable of > ge

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Stuart Langridge wrote: > Am I missing something here? If Pidgin's not running then by definition > I can't have any messages in it. Is the messaging menu just another > applications menu but only containing apps which are capable of > generating messages? That seems not all that useful to me, unle

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > Hello all, > > According to the MessagingMenu spec, registered message applications > will always be listed in the menu regardless if it is running or not > [1]; however, there is no explanation or justification for doing this. > > My question is: Why? To what purpose are

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Roderick B. Greening wrote: > Not in my opinion... if it's for "indications/messages" then it has no right > to pretend to be anything other than that (i.e. a menu). Trying to be a menu, > seems counterintuitive to me. We already have a menu, and presenting the user > with two places to look...

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Juha Siltala wrote: > -original message- > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they > are not on > From: Ted Gould > Date: 03.09.2009 17:24 > > as it's nearly impossible to determine "the mail application I use" > exce

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Ted Gould wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 16:14 -0400, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: >> My question is: Why? To what purpose are all registered applications >> always listed in the MI, regardless if they are running or not, if >> they have messages or not, if the user even uses them or not. > > The quest

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Ted Gould wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 16:14 -0400, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: >> My question is: Why? To what purpose are all registered applications >> always listed in the MI, regardless if they are running or not, if >> they have messages or not, if the user even

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

-original message- Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on From: Ted Gould Date: 03.09.2009 17:24 as it's nearly impossible to determine "the mail application I use" except by what's installed. --- Is this true? Don't we

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

It seems that this is not a message indicator or message queue as originally described, but rather a new kind of menu/launcher/accelerator. The question is, as posed by Celeste, whether the spec and the app line up, and it appears to not do so. For me, this should not be a launcher. There are

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 16:14 -0400, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > My question is: Why? To what purpose are all registered applications > always listed in the MI, regardless if they are running or not, if > they have messages or not, if the user even uses them or not. The question comes down to whether

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 00:46 -0230, Roderick B. Greening wrote: > > To me , its like "Everything related to messaging resides here, you can > > start it from here, see any new events here ... , you dont have to look > > anywhere else." > > Personally, I only want to see "active" message indication

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

> This option to launch and view all messaging apps in one location is > actually quite a nice feature. Not in my opinion... if it's for "indications/messages" then it has no right to pretend to be anything other than that (i.e. a menu). Trying to be a menu, seems counterintuitive to me. We alr

Re: [Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 16:14 -0400, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote: > Hello all, > > Providing users with another way to launch applications is an > inaccurate rationale. It is a message indicator, not a message > dashboard. It is named "messaging menu" ;) , in the wiki, I guess they expected this naming

[Ayatana] Message Indicator: Listing apps in menu even if they are not on

Hello all, According to the MessagingMenu spec, registered message applications will always be listed in the menu regardless if it is running or not [1]; however, there is no explanation or justification for doing this. My question is: Why? To what purpose are all registered applications always l