Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-02 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Laignel wrote on 01/11/10 14:35: > > One thought on the global menu is one of scope. Window controls, tab > controls and many other actions, as a general rule, only affect things > within their indicated container. A tab control that affects t

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-02 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luke Benstead wrote on 01/11/10 13:40: >... > When they were implemented in UNE we had a great blog post by MPT about > the reasoning: http://design.canonical.com/2010/05/menu-bar/ > > It made sense. Netbooks have limited vertical space, UNE focuses o

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-02 Thread frederik nnaji
On 01/11/10 20:35, Dean Loros wrote: As far as I am concerned---any upper bar wastes space.The first thing I do on a new install is remove the upper panel/bar & use AWN for my lower panel--yes I know that it "looks" like OSX that way, but it fits my workflow better (maybe because I'm a old-

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread Luke Benstead
On 1 November 2010 20:40, cmaglothin wrote: > Why exactly would there need to be a distinction at all? It would be > pleasing to the eye if it just blended perfectly with the gradient of the > maximized window border. > > Mainly to show that: a.) The indicator applet is floating (e.g. non-maximi

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread cmaglothin
Why exactly would there need to be a distinction at all? It would be pleasing to the eye if it just blended perfectly with the gradient of the maximized window border. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Alex Launi wrote: > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Luke Benstead wrote: > >> >> Well, ideally

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread Alex Launi
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Luke Benstead wrote: > > Well, ideally the way to get rid of that wasted space would be to not have > the bar there at all. Think about it; Unity has a side bar from bottom to > top, the indicator applets sit top right *exactly* where there is an open > space on an

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread Luke Benstead
On 1 November 2010 19:47, Shane Fagan wrote: > I agree with the idea of less wasted space. So putting in the global > menu into the desktop for maximized apps is a good idea. Well, ideally the way to get rid of that wasted space would be to not have the bar there at all. Think about it; Unity h

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread David Hamm
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Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread Shane Fagan
I agree with the idea of less wasted space. So putting in the global menu into the desktop for maximized apps is a good idea. If its a huge screen its a lot easier to throw your mouse up to the top of the screen than go for the menu bar in the app I think. It might be slightly further but it requir

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread Dean Loros
As far as I am concerned---any upper bar wastes space.The first thing I do on a new install is remove the upper panel/bar & use AWN for my lower panel--yes I know that it "looks" like OSX that way, but it fits my workflow better (maybe because I'm a old-Mac head & I jumped all over the lower ba

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread Andrew Laignel
One thought on the global menu is one of scope. Window controls, tab controls and many other actions, as a general rule, only affect things within their indicated container. A tab control that affects things outside of it's scope is bad as it invites unpredictability into the behaviour, it's for

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread Luke Benstead
On 1 November 2010 13:59, frederik.nn...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 14:40, Luke Benstead wrote: > >> To reiterate, I understand the reasoning for the global menu on netbooks, >> and I totally agree. Why is a global menu better on a modern high-resolution >> or multiple-monitor des

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread frederik.nn...@gmail.com
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 14:40, Luke Benstead wrote: > To reiterate, I understand the reasoning for the global menu on netbooks, > and I totally agree. Why is a global menu better on a modern high-resolution > or multiple-monitor desktop than the current system? > > Luke. > because. * it cleans up

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread Luke Benstead
On 1 November 2010 13:11, David Prieto wrote: > Hi, > > > I don't mean to sound rude, but did you even read the answers to the link >> you posted? >> One of them shows this blueprint which wouldn't use the global menu for >> the desktop version. >> >> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spe

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread David Prieto
Hi, I don't mean to sound rude, but did you even read the answers to the link > you posted? > One of them shows this blueprint which wouldn't use the global menu for the > desktop version. > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-specialized-unity-form-factor >

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread Luke Benstead
> to the menu. Do you have any particular ideas? > > -- > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:04:46 + > From: kaz...@gmail.com > To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Subject: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop > > > Hi all, > > So I stumbled acros

Re: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread Mark Curtis
o it seems the desktop version would have room to innovate when it comes to the menu. Do you have any particular ideas? Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:04:46 + From: kaz...@gmail.com To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop Hi all, So I stumbled across this answ

[Ayatana] Global Menu on the Desktop

2010-11-01 Thread Luke Benstead
Hi all, So I stumbled across this answer earlier: http://askubuntu.com/questions/10481/does-will-unity-support-disabling-the-global-menu We are getting the global menu by default on the desktop edition. I'm actually overwhelmingly disappointed by this, there were actual logical reasons why the gl