Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread ajmctaggart
Alex, They were responding to my question of auto-downloading, nothing that you said. Thank you for clearing this up, it's very difficult to see all the sides of the puzzle, and I really appreciate the responses... -Anthony On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Alex Launi wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16,

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Alex Launi
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:06 PM, mac_v wrote: > AFAIK Auto downloads of the updates is far worse! > 1: user might be using 3G at some point where the downloads cost a lot! > 2: downloads while i'm watching streaming video content would cause the > lags in my videos which i would hate. > Who said

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread mac_v
ajmctaggart wrote: > > Again, just a user here... > However, Windows does give the option to download the updates in the > background then notify when they've fully downloaded. > > Would a behavior similar to this make the "updates on login," option any > more tempting? > AFAIK Auto downloads

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread ajmctaggart
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:06 AM, mac_v wrote: > Alex Launi wrote: > > I disagree, let's imagine this scenario, together... > > > > > The whole "dream" assumes that the downloads are already > downloaded/quickly downloaded... > > Consider users with slow connections, so the downloads take time

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread mac_v
Alex Launi wrote: > I disagree, let's imagine this scenario, together... > The whole "dream" assumes that the downloads are already downloaded/quickly downloaded... Consider users with slow connections, so the downloads take time to be initially downloaded download is larger the longer the wai

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread tacone
> Awesome, right? Not sure about what your whole reply meant. I think that notifying on startup has many disadvantage and it's not applicable in some cases (kernel upgrades, autologin). It's not wonder windows why asks for it at the shutdown. ___ Mailin

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Alex Launi
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: > What about those who use an autologin? They will never see those gdm > screens. > Like I said, update-manager doesn't go away. It just gets more or less deprecated for most users. For this small subset we just fallback to current behaviou

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread ajmctaggart
...This was hilarious, sexy librarians and all... Me personally, I don't have a *huge *issue presenting updates at the beginning of a log-in sequence. As a user, you know they are there, and you either ignore or proceed. I can't help but think though, that when I login to my desktop normally, the

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Charlie Kravetz
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:09:24 +0200 Alex Launi wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, tacone wrote: > > > Good intent, bad idea. > > > > I disagree, let's imagine this scenario, together... > > > It's Tuesday morning, you get up and turn on your computer. Whilst > you were fast asleep drea

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Alex Launi
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, tacone wrote: > Good intent, bad idea. > I disagree, let's imagine this scenario, together... It's Tuesday morning, you get up and turn on your computer. Whilst you were fast asleep dreaming of sugar plums and sexy librarians Ubuntu packagers were hard at work

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread mac_v
Alex Launi wrote: > His idea was to do updates at login. > We could do the checking while you're using, and then if we find them on - 10 ...! I hate to be delayed during the startup! and to reboot even before the work gets started! its a regression to the whole quick start process! cheers, mac_

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Aurélien Gâteau
Alex Launi wrote: > David Siegel also had a really great idea for making updates fun (and it > also solves the issue of how to handle updates- notification icon or > pop-under window) at the "install updates on shutdown" discussion. Let me > preface this with these are his ideas and not mine, I thi

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread tacone
> David Siegel also had a really great idea for making updates fun (and it > also solves the issue of how to handle updates- notification icon or > pop-under window) at the "install updates on shutdown" discussion. Let me > preface this with these are his ideas and not mine, I think they're great >

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Alex Launi
I had meant to chat with Martin Pitt after his plenary, but never managed to catch up with him. I forgot about it until I was going through my notebook the other day. It would be really great if when update-manager presented itself, some bugs (ones that you reported/subscribed to on LP) had a nice

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 16/06/2009 Natan Yellin wrote: This relates to an idea I had at UDS about ubuntu-bug, it would be really sweet if we could tie ubuntu-bug and update-manager together, so what when a bug you're subscribed to is fixed in an update, you get some kind of feedback from update-manager. For m

[Ayatana] Fwd: Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager])

2009-06-16 Thread Natan Yellin
Forwarding to the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Alex Launi Date: Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Getting users to care (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Update manager]) To: Natan Yellin On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Natan Yellin wrote: > What about trying to e