Re: [Ayatana] New Alt-Tab

2011-08-02 Thread Jason Smith
I may be walking into this one blind, but the Alt-Tab implementation in Unity now (the new one) supports sorting by "focus order" or by "launcher order" as a side effect of the fact that the icons come in sorted by launcher order out of the launcher model. This is of course not exposed as an op

Re: [Ayatana] the Device & User Menu concept should be Scraped

2011-08-02 Thread nick rundy
Well I apologize if I came across disrespectful. But I was active in discussions with the development of Gnome and the people there basically had no interest in how people actually use compiuters. therer were numerous voices complaining about the decisions Gnome ended up making. People are stil

Re: [Ayatana] the Device & User Menu concept should be Scraped

2011-08-02 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 2 August 2011 18:09, nick rundy wrote: > Why can't the Session Menu stay basically like it is in 10.04? Why does it > need a Bluetooth Menu--there's a Bluetooth Status Indicator isn't there? >  Displays. . .? Login Items. . ? Attached Devices. . ? Why is any of this > stuff being placed in a St

Re: [Ayatana] the Device & User Menu concept should be Scraped

2011-08-02 Thread nick rundy
Why can't the Session Menu stay basically like it is in 10.04? Why does it need a Bluetooth Menu--there's a Bluetooth Status Indicator isn't there? Displays. . .? Login Items. . ? Attached Devices. . ? Why is any of this stuff being placed in a Status Menu indicator? Personally, I don't even u

Re: [Ayatana] What about the Dash on Oneiric Ocelot ?

2011-08-02 Thread Josh Strawbridge
mind pointing me towards those mockups? I've been looking but i can't find them. I've seen things where they replace the dash with a dynamic launcher with new buttons for various categories that have pop up windows, things where they just put old gnome2 menu options as replacements of the default

Re: [Ayatana] FW: Comments on the Device & User Menu specs

2011-08-02 Thread Carl Ansell
If you don't use the icons, won't they fold up and hide at the bottom of the launcher when it is full? I find it useful, but I can also appreciate the wasted space for people that don't use it. If an option to turn it on and off is too complex, then to reduce the space used maybe a kind of re

[Ayatana] FW: Comments on the Device & User Menu specs

2011-08-02 Thread nick rundy
I can see your point :) I hate clutter too, but I think the Launcher is a different beast. Here's why: different people use computers differently. One user right-clicks to select copy, another selects Edit > Copy from the app menu. I think there needs to be a couple ways of achieving th

Re: [Ayatana] Comments on the Device & User Menu specs

2011-08-02 Thread David
Would it be possible to have: Power users > show mounted icons on launcher Like the old: gnome > show mounted devices on desktop ? I prefer having neither showing as I usually only access my device once after I plug it in, and it can appear poorly organised if there are 4+ devices mounted sho

Re: [Ayatana] What about the Dash on Oneiric Ocelot ?

2011-08-02 Thread Niklas Rosenqvist
I agree that the main page needs a drastic redesign, it's completely useless in its current state. Hopefully canonical will use the feedback they've received and make something of it. I've seen a couple of mockups like yours and personally I prefer the more minimalistic approach :) though whatever

Re: [Ayatana] What about the Dash on Oneiric Ocelot ?

2011-08-02 Thread Josh Strawbridge
i had a lot of the same thoughts a few weeks ago and i drew up a mock up of what i thought dash should be. dash is very keyboard friendly but when I'm using a mouse (or tablet actually) it's not a very pleasant experience. i only use the first page of the dash to get to the second page. this is w

Re: [Ayatana] Comments on the Device & User Menu specs

2011-08-02 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Shuttleworth wrote on 02/08/11 09:17: > > Hi Jeremy, thanks for your mail. > > On 02/08/11 00:35, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> >> Since I help out on the Documentation Team, I value clear user >> interface terminology so that users, powerusers, and ma

Re: [Ayatana] Comments on the Device & User Menu specs

2011-08-02 Thread nick rundy
> We might drop the launcher visibility of mounted drives, based on user > > testing. NO! I PREY this doesn't happen. I LOVE having mounted devices show up in the Launcher. I also love having an icon show on the Desktop. The desktop icon always reminds me I have something mounted when I close

Re: [Ayatana] What about the Dash on Oneiric Ocelot ?

2011-08-02 Thread Niklas Rosenqvist
Hi, I've earlier suggested removing the lenses from the launcher and integrating into the dash main page instead. I made a mockup but without lens titles which obviously would be required: http://i.imgur.com/76Jge.jpg Here is the original post: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg05999.html 20

Re: [Ayatana] Comments on the Device & User Menu specs

2011-08-02 Thread Thibaut Brandscheid
2011/8/2 Jeremy Bicha > If the desire is to reduce menu > option clutter, I suggest keeping the option as Shut Down (or Power > Off might be a good descriptive alternative). And then use a pop-up > like Gnome Shell to allow Restart, Shutdown (automatic after 60 > seconds),

[Ayatana] What about the Dash on Oneiric Ocelot ?

2011-08-02 Thread seb117
Hello !! I'm testing Ubuntu 11.10, and actually it's in really good shape. But the feature freeze is really near, and i don't see any change in the dash and places. From my point of view, this piece of unity need a redesign or a big modification : In the main page : - The main page of the das

Re: [Ayatana] Comments on the Device & User Menu specs

2011-08-02 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Hi Jeremy, thanks for your mail. On 02/08/11 00:35, Jeremy Bicha wrote: Since I help out on the Documentation Team, I value clear user interface terminology so that users, powerusers, and maybe even developers can use the same, understandable language. The old session menu name became unclear w