Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

So this is half serious but something for you all to think about, if the global menu is such a great idea and we weren't constraint by any toolkit legacy problems... http://i.imgur.com/xsD0v.png Would you use this (without maximizing the window)? Now think about what this would mean for multi-ta

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > On 27. mai 2011 01:47, Ed Lin wrote: >>> >>> Why do you say it's misused? >> >> Because it's the most valuable space anywhere on the screen to put >> interface elements > > I think application menus are important interface elements. You

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On 27. mai 2011 01:47, Ed Lin wrote: Why do you say it's misused? Because it's the most valuable space anywhere on the screen to put interface elements I think application menus are important interface elements. (horizontal panels have the advantage of suiting text better, they are the larger

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 1:16 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > On 26. mai 2011 22:53, Ed Lin wrote: >> >> enough to warrant that spot. The top panel is misused as place to get > > Why do you say it's misused? Because it's the most valuable space anywhere on the screen to put interface elements (ho

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

Sparrowmail for the mac, perhaps? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Ed Lin wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Spike Burch wrote: >> PS: is it just me, or are there no well designed e-mail clients for >> our platform? > > Are there for any platform? > >

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On 27. mai 2011 01:32, GonzO wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: GonzO have you forgotten that sometimes people require a email client if their mail server doesn't support a web interface? I don't think I am, no. I said that, *for me*, a fat client is nonsensical

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On 26. mai 2011 23:46, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: 2011/5/26 Jo-Erlend Schinstad > > The biggest benefit I see, is the calmness it brings to my work > environment. That's funny :) It's the exact opposite for me. I like having the top of the screen free since my

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Spike Burch wrote: > PS: is it just me, or are there no well designed e-mail clients for > our platform? Are there for any platform? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpa

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Niklas Rosenqvist wrote: > GonzO have you forgotten that sometimes people require a email client if > their mail server doesn't support a web interface? I don't think I am, no. I said that, *for me*, a fat client is nonsensical. I also said that, of all the peop

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On 26. mai 2011 22:53, Ed Lin wrote: enough to warrant that spot. The top panel is misused as place to get Why do you say it's misused? The second point seems to be more of a special case, it's mostly about terminal windows I understand? Browsers have tabs, file managers have split panes, tabs

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

There are indicators for integrating webmail (at least for gmail) into the message indicator. PS: is it just me, or are there no well designed e-mail clients for our platform? On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Jeremy Nickurak wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 15:34, Niklas Rosenqvist > wrote: >> >

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

2011/5/26 Jo-Erlend Schinstad > The biggest benefit I see, is the calmness it brings to my work > environment. That's funny :) It's the exact opposite for me. I like having the top of the screen free since my eyes most often scan the top part of the screen. A top panel/global menu is always ther

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 15:34, Niklas Rosenqvist < niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com> wrote: > GonzO have you forgotten that sometimes people require a email client if > their mail server doesn't support a web interface? People in these > discussion threads seem to want to rule out that people aren't

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

GonzO have you forgotten that sometimes people require a email client if their mail server doesn't support a web interface? People in these discussion threads seem to want to rule out that people aren't using the computer in the same way as themselves. 2011/5/26 GonzO > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1

Re: [Ayatana] Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Arian van Gend wrote: > I've started a Unity 11.10 design document to formalize the contributions of > the community to Unity design. It also covers improving the lenses and the > Dash. Maybe you could read it, and if someone feels like it, improve the > idea descr

Re: [Ayatana] Key Shortcut for Dash Expand

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Calum Lind wrote: > Sorry what do you mean remember its state? I am asking about a keyboard > shortcut, that does not currently exist, to toggle Dash's expand to > fullscreen option. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/788783 What would the keyboard shortcut

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > Thank you. Yes, I'll be happy to describe that, of course. > Thank you for that detailed reply! To sum it up: - you don't use menus frequently so you prefer not having them clutter your screen - you often tile windows above each other

Re: [Ayatana] Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher

I've started a Unity 11.10 design document to formalize the contributions of the community to Unity design. It also covers improving the lenses and the Dash. Maybe you could read it, and if someone feels like it, improve the idea described there? The document can be found here: https://docs.google

Re: [Ayatana] Key Shortcut for Dash Expand

I filed a bug report about this. On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Ed Lin wrote: > It should just remember its state, there should be a bug about this... ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubs

Re: [Ayatana] Alt Tab User Experience

"""A possible approach could be that Alt+Tab cycles through the launchers for open applications on the bar itself (therefore not opening it's own switcher or having to contend with over-magnified icons) , activating Expo for those that have more than one window open.""" I really like this idea. Th

Re: [Ayatana] Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Ian Santopietro wrote: > What about integrating the Applications and Files Lenses into the Main > dash, and using separate icons for User-installed Lenses? There was a good > point brought up about why the main dash *shouldn't* be used for all lenses > (searching

Re: [Ayatana] Key Shortcut for Dash Expand

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Calum Lind wrote: > Hi everyone, I have a small feature request. > > When looking for applications with just the keyboard I found that I still > need the mouse to expand the Dash to full screen. > > I did look to see if there was such a shortcut but found no mentio

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On 26. mai 2011 16:19, Ed Lin wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: I was very sceptical about the global menu to begin with, but I gave it a try and now I really like it. ... I have no problems with global menus. It does take a little time to get used to, but I

Re: [Ayatana] Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher

What about integrating the Applications and Files Lenses into the Main dash, and using separate icons for User-installed Lenses? There was a good point brought up about why the main dash *shouldn't* be used for all lenses (searching for private files in the Dash and having a web search lens relay t

[Ayatana] Key Shortcut for Dash Expand

Hi everyone, I have a small feature request. When looking for applications with just the keyboard I found that I still need the mouse to expand the Dash to full screen. I did look to see if there was such a shortcut but found no mention. Something like F11 or Alt+F10 would be handy to have. Than

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Bazon wrote: > > Why should one give up a local E-mail client? I use anywhere from 3-10 computers in my average work day. In no way is it advantageous for me to install and configure a mail client on all of them. Especially one using IMAP, which is like running

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Ed Lin wrote: > > Finally, I deeply care about polish, consistency, bug-free-ness and > optimization. This seams to be "unsexy" for developers and often gets > the shorter end in FOSS development. Preach. > application and this trend is only going up. Especially

Re: [Ayatana] Unity Mockup v3

I have to agree with this. On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:01 AM, GonzO wrote: > How about "keep things where I frakkin' put them"?  ;-) > > I can't think of a single good reason why my scroll location on the > bar *has to* reset itself once I leave.  I scrolled to *this spot* > because I wanted to b

[Ayatana] Fwd: Fwd: Re: People expect the backlight colours on the unity launcher to mean something.

-- Forwarded message -- From: Spike Burch Date: Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Re: People expect the backlight colours on the unity launcher to mean something. To: Jo-Erlend Schinstad I have to say I agree - there either should be a reason for the colo

Re: [Ayatana] Unity Mockup v3

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:14 AM, ello wrote: > > With the theme I've got now - Orta - Looks nice, I might have to try it. > The > problem with scrolling down the bar is difficult to solve - perhaps make > the mouse "stickier" there, so it needs a determined movement by the > user to free it?  

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Re: People expect the backlight colours on the unity launcher to mean something.

On 26. mai 2011 16:29, Ed Lin wrote: It's just a gimmick that was copied from Win7. A lighter highlight background would aid making running applications more visible. See "[Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications" for more Well, I certainly won't argue against learning fr

Re: [Ayatana] Alt Tab User Experience

On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 20:02 -0700, Dylan McCall wrote: > On this subject, I have been suggesting Alt+F1 as an alternative to > Alt Tab for some people, and they've been pretty happy with it. > Perhaps there are some ways that approach could be strengthened. > A possible approach could be that Al

Re: [Ayatana] Unity Mockup v3

On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 17:06 -0500, S. Christian Collins wrote: > > > I think this is a terrific idea. Allowing the user to choose the > profile on first desktop login or during installation might be nice as > well. I agree with the idea of different profiles, but I don't know about asking the u

Re: [Ayatana] Unity Mockup v3

> Although, truth be told, the more I think about it, the more I like > the "Opera Idea" (title of app is an obvious button that exposes the > pull-down menus vertically). While it does have two drawbacks I *do > not* like - > > 1) The pull-down menus are semi-hidden by default (the button is vi

Re: [Ayatana] Alt Tab User Experience

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Martín Casco wrote: > Great to know, Ubuntu 11.10 will use it. So, what you are telling as it's a > good start for more tweak, maybe. I mean, we don't know if Ubuntu with Gnome > 3 it's going to use the same behaviour and graphical experience for Alt + > Tab; or, i

Re: [Ayatana] Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher

El jue, 26-05-2011 a las 16:26 +0200, Ed Lin escribió: > Ddid you get any opposing feedback? Yes, "more easy for new users", if my memory doesn't fail. I remember that I propose unified Dash access on BFB, or use this for another kind of information, like show as system information or user infor

Re: [Ayatana] Alt Tab User Experience

El mié, 25-05-2011 a las 22:24 -0400, Brandon Watkins escribió: > I have recently used both gnome 3 Great to know, Ubuntu 11.10 will use it. So, what you are telling as it's a good start for more tweak, maybe. I mean, we don't know if Ubuntu with Gnome 3 it's going to use the same behaviour and

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Re: People expect the backlight colours on the unity launcher to mean something.

It's just a gimmick that was copied from Win7. A lighter highlight background would aid making running applications more visible. See "[Ayatana] Idea for improving visibility of running applications" for more ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayat

Re: [Ayatana] Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Martín Casco wrote: > I agree with you.. During the las cycle I've said here that icons lenses > were, and are, a waste of space. Last cycle? Ddid you get any opposing feedback? I can't come up with a single reason why the current design was chosen over a "unifie

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > I was very sceptical about the global menu to begin with, but I gave it > a try and now I really like it. ... >I have no problems with global menus. > It does take a little time to get used to, but I think the benefits are > worth the

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Adrian Maier wrote: > You are right about the lack of verdict.  The fact that some people dislike > it   doesn't necessarily mean that the default behavior must be > immediately changed. Two things we need to discern: the concept of a global menu and the Unity gl

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Re: People expect the backlight colours on the unity launcher to mean something.

El jue, 26-05-2011 a las 11:29 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad escribió: > I think I believe that the > > best solution is for all apps to have the same background colour when > > running and another when they're not running > > I agree with that. Personally I use Blacklight only for open Apps.. I t

Re: [Ayatana] Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher

El jue, 26-05-2011 a las 14:37 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad escribió: > I think the idea of a lenses-bar is great. That would solve some > problems. > As it is, the Files and folders lense and the Applications lense > consumes > two tiles on the launcher, which occupies valuable space without, I >

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

There's some oftopic in at the beginning, considerer yourself warned. You can skip to the marking. On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:00 AM, GonzO wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Ed Lin wrote: > >>> With all due respect: I do not think your cases are all that common. >> >> I never claimed the c

Re: [Ayatana] Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher

I think the best solution would be to integrate all lenses into the dash. Make the dash have default search function (files & folders + applications, a bit like gnome-do) and in the dash when you open it you also have the 4 most used lenses as a quick selection and a button to show all installed le

Re: [Ayatana] Fwd: Re: People expect the backlight colours on the unity launcher to mean something.

On 26/05/2011 17:29, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote: > I originally posted this message to ubuntu-desktop@lists.u-c > and didrocks suggested I forwarded it here. So here goes. :) > [...] Hi Jo-Erlend, While I'll agree it's not immediately obvious what the backlight colours are for, I think the backlig

Re: [Ayatana] Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher

On 26. mai 2011 12:01, Thibaut Brandscheid wrote: Hi all Yesterday evening an idea popped up into my mind about how to improve Dash usability. Mock-up: Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher Two things were bothering me subconsciously: - One click switching between Lenses is n

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On 26. mai 2011 12:47, Adrian Maier wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 05:52, Ian Santopietro wrote: But who said the majority of Ubuntu users don't like the global menu? It may well be the case that the majority of users on this mailing list don't like it, but it's been said before that this list

Re: [Ayatana] Global menu in Oneiric Ocelot (11.10)

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 05:52, Ian Santopietro wrote: > But who said the majority of Ubuntu users don't like the global menu? It may > well be the case that the majority of users on this mailing list don't like > it, but it's been said before that this list is a small bias of users. There > *was*

[Ayatana] Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher

Hi all Yesterday evening an idea popped up into my mind about how to improve Dash usability. Mock-up: Dash Idea – Easy Lens Switcher Two things were bothering me subconsciously: - One click switching between Lenses is not possible - Having the 'normal' launcher icons grayed

[Ayatana] Fwd: Re: People expect the backlight colours on the unity launcher to mean something.

I originally posted this message to ubuntu-desktop@lists.u-c and didrocks suggested I forwarded it here. So here goes. :) Original Message Subject: Re: People expect the backlight colours on the unity launcher to mean something. Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 09:03:53 +0200 From:

Re: [Ayatana] Alt Tab User Experience

Hello everyone. I'm new to this list and found this post in the mail archive, and Thunderbird is a new mailclient to me, so if my reply appears out of thread, I appologize. On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Dylan McCall wrote: Mutter, if I recall correctly, continues with Metacity's convent