[Ayatana] Application Indicators improvement suggestion - optional text with icon

2010-07-07 Thread Evgeny Kolesnikov
Hello! Idea: Add possibility to optionally accompany icon with some text (just like Indicator Applet Session or any other menu widget do). Purpose: Some applications are aimed to show some vital information beside boolean Attention/Normal indicator, but this info is simple (just number or sh

Re: [Ayatana] CSD and the pressure to innovate

2010-07-07 Thread Sam Spilsbury
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Apoorva Sharma wrote: > On Jul 7, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Sam Spilsbury wrote: > >> Why exactly do we want the WM to be handling tabs here? Trying to do >> tabbed applications within the window manager for the sake of having >> tabs is a huge waste of memory, especially

Re: [Ayatana] CSD and the pressure to innovate

2010-07-07 Thread Apoorva Sharma
On Jul 7, 2010, at 6:10 PM, Sam Spilsbury wrote: > Why exactly do we want the WM to be handling tabs here? Trying to do > tabbed applications within the window manager for the sake of having > tabs is a huge waste of memory, especially when the application itself > can already do tabs. > Standar

Re: [Ayatana] CSD and the pressure to innovate

2010-07-07 Thread Sam Spilsbury
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Diego Moya wrote: > > > On 7 July 2010 07:32, Philipp Wendler wrote: >> >> How would you handle the advanced application-specific features related >> to tabs? In Firefox for example, there are quite a few actions when you >> right-click on the tab bar: >> - reload t

Re: [Ayatana] Windicator Unnecessary

2010-07-07 Thread Martin Owens
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 15:54 -0500, Apoorva Sharma wrote: > I don't propose that we should completely ditch windicators, but I > guess you could say that I propose that windows show statuses related > to them in the titlebar, alongside the panel menu notifications. > > I think having windicators is

Re: [Ayatana] mail indicator not consistency

2010-07-07 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 12:55 +0200, Philipp Wendler wrote: > But the point is, it behaves similarly for phone calls and for IM (the > latter also lead to vibration and screen message). >From my personal use of the phone, I don't see how this would be desirable. For example, I routinely set the Blac

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-07-07 Thread Apoorva Sharma
On Jul 7, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Diego Moya wrote: > I think you've just described the rationale for the new Ubuntu panel menus > (Sound-, Network-, Me-menus). So what you're suggesting would be akin to > dismiss the windicator idea and have all windows notifications centralized in > standardized

Re: [Ayatana] CSD and the pressure to innovate

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 07/07/10 09:29, Diego Moya wrote: > > > On 7 July 2010 07:32, Philipp Wendler wrote: > > How would you handle the advanced application-specific features > related > to tabs? In Firefox for example, there are quite a few actions > when you > right-click on the tab bar: > -

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-07-07 Thread Diego Moya
On 24 June 2010 00:28, Apoorva Sharma wrote: >To get around these problems, I have come up with the following idea. >... >If this is implemented, then all the windicators could have copies of them already in >the panel. For example, not only would rhythmbox have a volume indicator on

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-07-07 Thread Diego Moya
On 18 June 2010 17:12, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: On 18/06/10 15:00, Sam Spilsbury wrote: >> >> What happens if applications have more than 4 or 5 indicators? >> > We'll have to think about that :-) > Suggestions? Show the ones that most recently changed status? I like how the Unity launcher solves

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-07-07 Thread Shane Fagan
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 07:47 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 30/06/10 14:15, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > > I agree that the F-Spot example isn't status; I couldn't think of > > anything appropriate for that. :-) > > > > Does F-Spot not have an online / offline mode yet? > It doesnt but I sup

Re: [Ayatana] mail indicator not consistency

2010-07-07 Thread Philipp Wendler
Hi, Am 07.07.2010 10:43, schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: > On 06/07/10 08:49, Philipp Wendler wrote: >> Am 06.07.2010 08:41, schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: >> >>> Interesting questions. My gut feel would be: >>> >>> - incoming IM notifications would be suppressed >>> - incoming calls would be displaye

Re: [Ayatana] Brainstorming the Me Menu again

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 29/06/10 09:19, Conscious User wrote: One thing that is universal, though, is how [tweets] are displayed: picture on the left, message to the right with the name in bold. So why not take advantage of the familiarity of this layout to make the purpose of the broadcasting field more evident

Re: [Ayatana] CSD and the pressure to innovate

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 07/07/10 03:52, Apoorva Sharma wrote: > Since tabs in firefox and nautilus are just ways of combining multiple > windows into one, why not have the window manager handle tabs for all apps? > Maybe apps like firefox or nautilus etc could tell the window manager that > they want tabbed windows,

Re: [Ayatana] Unity launcher - will an autohide option be available?

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 06/07/10 14:39, Diego Moya wrote: > My previous post was not to criticize the Launcher design, just to > discourage mouse proximity as the method to show the hidden panel, > since it has several drawbacks. This will need to be tested, but the current plan is for the Launcher auto-reveal to happ

Re: [Ayatana] mail indicator not consistency

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 06/07/10 08:49, Philipp Wendler wrote: > Hi, > > Am 06.07.2010 08:41, schrieb Mark Shuttleworth: > >> Interesting questions. My gut feel would be: >> >> - incoming IM notifications would be suppressed >> - incoming calls would be displayed >> > Why the latter? When I put my cellphone i

Re: [Ayatana] CSD and the pressure to innovate

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 06/07/10 02:02, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > I thought it didn't depend on window decoration anymore!? > Doesn't Global Menu read its items idenpendently already? > Our Global Menu requires the application to publish it's menu using a protocol we have designed and implemented, over d-bus. For Gtk a

[Ayatana] Me menu broadcast message feedback

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Hi MPT If you're in the thick of things and don't have a chance to respond that's fine, please just copy this into the Me-Menu-Nifty spec as a placeholder for later discussion. == Broadcast Message Feedback == In order to provide feedback on the success or failure of broadcast messages and statu

Re: [Ayatana] Some thoughts about unclutter

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
> I would add that my first annoyance with this behavior is that I often > use the mouse pointer to "point out" something in a screenshot. Now I > must stay physically active to do so rather than just setting the > screenshot delay time properly, positioning the pointer, and waiting. That's easy

Re: [Ayatana] Windicators

2010-07-07 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 30/06/10 14:15, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > I agree that the F-Spot example isn't status; I couldn't think of > anything appropriate for that. :-) > Does F-Spot not have an online / offline mode yet? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature __

Re: [Ayatana] CSD and the pressure to innovate

2010-07-07 Thread Diego Moya
On 7 July 2010 07:32, Philipp Wendler wrote: > How would you handle the advanced application-specific features related > to tabs? In Firefox for example, there are quite a few actions when you > right-click on the tab bar: > - reload tab > - make tab into a bookmark > - undo tab closing > Creatin