Re: [Ayatana] VPN

2010-06-14 Thread Philipp Wendler
Hi, Am 14.06.2010 16:21, schrieb Shane Fagan: > I see you guys are planning the design of the networking menu. My > question is do you really need vpn in there? Is it something that we > need to expose to every user? Barely any desktop (or netbook) user uses > vpn at all they mainly use normal lan

Re: [Ayatana] How do I know when I'm connected to the network successfully?

2010-06-14 Thread Tyler Brainerd
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > "Tyler Brainerd" wrote: > > >On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Scott Kitterman >wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> "Mark Shuttleworth" wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >Just so folks are clear on direction: > >> > > >> > - we would like to move to Conn

Re: [Ayatana] How do I know when I'm connected to the network successfully?

2010-06-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
"Tyler Brainerd" wrote: >On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> >> >> "Mark Shuttleworth" wrote: >> >> > >> >Just so folks are clear on direction: >> > >> > - we would like to move to Connection Manager ("connman") in due >> >course, for its cleaner, more pluggable, testa

Re: [Ayatana] How do I know when I'm connected to the network successfully?

2010-06-14 Thread Tyler Brainerd
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > "Mark Shuttleworth" wrote: > > > > >Just so folks are clear on direction: > > > > - we would like to move to Connection Manager ("connman") in due > >course, for its cleaner, more pluggable, testable and maintainable > >architecture >

Re: [Ayatana] VPN

2010-06-14 Thread Tyler Brainerd
agreed. it's added functionality that is not needed for most users, and can be tucked away to reduce clutter and visual noise. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Shane Fagan wrote: > Hey all, > > I see you guys are planning the design of the networking menu. My > question is do you really need vpn

Re: [Ayatana] ayatana-dev and recommendations for posting

2010-06-14 Thread Tyler Brainerd
Thanks David. I think this separation will prove to be useful in clearing up lines of communication and in getting information and ideas to the people who need it. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:14 AM, David Barth wrote: > Hi again, > > With the new ayatana-dev mailing list in place, I'd like to make

Re: [Ayatana] Make the progress bar more entertaining

2010-06-14 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
Rodan, please join the team and subscribe to mailing list to follow the discussion or watch via mailing list archive. Keeping you in CC On 14 June 2010 23:47, Rodan Bury wrote: > To entertain the user while he is waiting, I suggest to add a few nice > words that strikes the imagination. A few in

[Ayatana] Make the progress bar more entertaining

2010-06-14 Thread Rodan Bury
To entertain the user while he is waiting, I suggest to add a few nice words that strikes the imagination. A few interfaces made an asset of their long loading with such an user-friendly loading bar. It's pretty easy to implement, and it's real fun! Please check the following examples: http://www

[Ayatana] Send to dialog confusion

2010-06-14 Thread Shane Fagan
Hey all, I was sending a file to a friend using sent to and I noticed that it doesnt give any indication of the progress of the transfer or even if the user has gotten it. I found out that the send to dialog stays on the screen until they get it but I think it needs some sort of better indication.

Re: [Ayatana] Application Menu bug consolidation and plans

2010-06-14 Thread nickwinlund
My message is to the passive group or those who lurk.. Please note that ``duped'' isn't a word. That is what you all should work on fixing technologically and socially in the future, and not creating new branches or nodes from the same tree when the equilibrium of GTK Apps is pretty smooth, now.

[Ayatana] Application Menu bug consolidation and plans

2010-06-14 Thread Jorge O. Castro
Hi everyone, After this report I will be posting application menu status reports on ayatana-dev, so if you're interested in the nitty gritty details of application menus, that will be the place to be! I've just had a call with David Barth and some of the members from the desktop team on app menus,

Re: [Ayatana] How do I know when I'm connected to the network successfully?

2010-06-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
"Mark Shuttleworth" wrote: > >Just so folks are clear on direction: > > - we would like to move to Connection Manager ("connman") in due >course, for its cleaner, more pluggable, testable and maintainable >architecture > - we have a detailed, signed-off design for the indicator associated >with

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

2010-06-14 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 11/06/10 19:57, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > "David Hamm" wrote: > > >> and that, ladies and gentlemen is why Mark is Awesome. >> >> > Could we leave the fanboi stuff off and just deal with the actual issues > please. > > OK, but before we do that I just want to say for the record I

Re: [Ayatana] Redesigning the Ubuntu mouse cursor for simple notification of app attention

2010-06-14 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 14 June 2010 13:31, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 14/06/10 08:55, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: >> Frederik Nnaji wrote on 05/05/10 16:14: >> >> > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 02:24, Alex Launi > > > wrote: >> >> >> >> I usually move my cursor completely out of view when I'm

[Ayatana] VPN

2010-06-14 Thread Shane Fagan
Hey all, I see you guys are planning the design of the networking menu. My question is do you really need vpn in there? Is it something that we need to expose to every user? Barely any desktop (or netbook) user uses vpn at all they mainly use normal lan, dsl or mobile so why not add a configure ne

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

2010-06-14 Thread Sam Spilsbury
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:13 PM, David Barth wrote: > On 06/09/2010 11:37 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > On 09/06/10 16:46, Sense Hofstede wrote: > > > However, like you already say in your last line "there isn't an > overall place where the engineering participation is discussed, other > than #

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

2010-06-14 Thread Sense Hofstede
On 14 June 2010 14:13, David Barth wrote: > On 06/09/2010 11:37 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > On 09/06/10 16:46, Sense Hofstede wrote: > > > However, like you already say in your last line "there isn't an > overall place where the engineering participation is discussed, other > than #ayatana on

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed "minimize to tray" ?

2010-06-14 Thread Luke Benstead
> And if anyone is willing and able to fix gnome-panel to make long-lived > minimized windows more compact, please submit patches for that too. :-) > > Is there a reason why DockbarX is not suitable for this? I've attached a screenshot incase people dunno what I'm talking about :) Luke. <>

Re: [Ayatana] clipboard manager ad indicator

2010-06-14 Thread guido iodice
Something like... this: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/pastie-very-simple-clipboard-manager.html ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https:

Re: [Ayatana] How do I know when I'm connected to the network successfully?

2010-06-14 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
Just so folks are clear on direction: - we would like to move to Connection Manager ("connman") in due course, for its cleaner, more pluggable, testable and maintainable architecture - we have a detailed, signed-off design for the indicator associated with that at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networ

Re: [Ayatana] Redesigning the Ubuntu mouse cursor for simple notification of app attention

2010-06-14 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
On 14/06/10 08:55, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Frederik Nnaji wrote on 05/05/10 16:14: > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 02:24, Alex Launi > > wrote: > >> > >> I usually move my cursor completely out of view when I'm not using > >> it. I've definitely seen my roommate, bro

Re: [Ayatana] Farewell to the notification area

2010-06-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dylan McCall wrote on 26/04/10 16:28: >... > Lots of things can be done with PolicyKit and Gksudo to encourage more > secure operation, and with some work maybe we can help raise the > user's awareness when he enters a password. Something quick that >

Re: [Ayatana] Is it time we killed "minimize to tray" ?

2010-06-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luke Benstead wrote on 05/05/10 15:38: > > I've been giving this a lot of thought recently, well actually, I've > been irritated into giving it thought after not being able to find my > Rhythmbox window. I've been trying to work out why we have "minim

Re: [Ayatana] Redesigning the Ubuntu mouse cursor for simple notification of app attention

2010-06-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Nnaji wrote on 05/05/10 16:14: > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 02:24, Alex Launi > wrote: >> >> I usually move my cursor completely out of view when I'm not using >> it. I've definitely seen my roommate, brother, and

Re: [Ayatana] Farewell to the notification area

2010-06-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Ritchie wrote on 23/04/10 06:48: > > I like where you're going, but what do we do about interoperability? > > There's a hint in your post that we'll simply leave apps broken, stick > up our middle fingers, and tempt developers with our millions

Re: [Ayatana] Farewell to the notification area

2010-06-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Owens wrote on 21/04/10 21:57: >... > So long as it doesn't kill off the character pallet that I use for > printing ° and € :-) I'll be fine. >... I've specified that you should be able to access the Character Map from the keyboard menu

Re: [Ayatana] How do I know when I'm connected to the network successfully?

2010-06-14 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Ritchie wrote on 03/05/10 23:43: >... > In short, the process of connecting to the internet for the very first > time did not work very well, as the indicator in its current form is > simply failing to indicate what we needed to know. >... Thank

[Ayatana] ayatana-dev and recommendations for posting

2010-06-14 Thread David Barth
Hi again, With the new ayatana-dev mailing list in place, I'd like to make some recommendations for managing the flow of conversations between the 2 lists. * ayatana@lists.launchpad.net is the main list for proposing concepts or discussing existing proposals from a usability perspective * ayat

[Ayatana] New list: ayatana-dev

2010-06-14 Thread David Barth
Hi, Following the recent discussions on the ayatana mailing list, I've created a new list to host engineering discussions: ayatana-dev. This list is meant to explore implementation aspects of the concepts discussed on the main ayatana list, and help improve the signal to noise ratio for both grou

Re: [Ayatana] Putting some brakes on the enthusiasm

2010-06-14 Thread David Barth
On 06/09/2010 11:37 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > On 09/06/10 16:46, Sense Hofstede wrote: > >> However, like you already say in your last line "there isn't an >> overall place where the engineering participation is discussed, other >> than #ayatana on freenode." That is the most important miss

Re: [Ayatana] Should we create a "distro-upgrade testing" team?

2010-06-14 Thread Shane Fagan
This isnt really the list for this please take it to ubuntu-testing. --fagan On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:40 +0200, Frederik Nnaji wrote: > sounds interesting! > > On 2010-06-11, Lance wrote: > > Undoubtedly this may sound kind of crazy, but I've been "iso-testing" for > > nearly two years. > > >

Re: [Ayatana] Should we create a "distro-upgrade testing" team?

2010-06-14 Thread Frederik Nnaji
sounds interesting! On 2010-06-11, Lance wrote: > Undoubtedly this may sound kind of crazy, but I've been "iso-testing" for > nearly two years. > > When I began I was very poor at it, I'd basically give the iso a "pass" if I > managed to get it to run/install but as time went on I became more "de