On Monday 26,April,2010 01:39 AM, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 13:55 -0300, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote:
>> That is the reason while the pop-up/under/what ever is a BAD idea. And
>> the reason is that it is asynchronous, so the user is getting taught
>> to respond to (possibly fake)
> I think installing security updates automatically may be the only way to
> get them installed for people who are afraid of the pop-ups.
>
I agree.
>>
>> I do believe that the best balance would be to prompt the user in
>> specific moments (log-out, before suspend/lock) with a dialog that has
>>
On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 19:28 -0300, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote:
> > Option #1: Display an icon in the notification area that nobody clicks,
> > as a result security updates never get installed and system is
> > compromised from the lack of important security updates.
> >
> > Option #2: Pop-up the updat
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Marc Deslauriers
wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 13:55 -0300, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote:
>> That is the reason while the pop-up/under/what ever is a BAD idea. And
>> the reason is that it is asynchronous, so the user is getting taught
>> to respond to (possibly fake)
On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 13:55 -0400, Jim Rorie wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 10:55 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>
> >
> > > 2) I have to dig through the menu to trigger updates(Hmm, is that
> > > preferences or administration? I can never remember). Annoying for a
> > > regular task.
> > >
On 25 April 2010 18:39, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 13:55 -0300, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote:
>> That is the reason while the pop-up/under/what ever is a BAD idea. And
>> the reason is that it is asynchronous, so the user is getting taught
>> to respond to (possibly fake) windows r
On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 13:39 -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote:
> So...what does a web page do with the user's password once it's obtained? Not
> much,
Go here and read the saga:
http://thecoffeedesk.com/news/index.php/2009/08/22/4chan-hacked-facebook-pictures/
They used the password from one site t
On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 10:55 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>
> > 2) I have to dig through the menu to trigger updates(Hmm, is that
> > preferences or administration? I can never remember). Annoying for a
> > regular task.
> >
>
> Again. Updates are not a regular task for regular users.
Bu
On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 13:55 -0300, Paulo J. S. Silva wrote:
> That is the reason while the pop-up/under/what ever is a BAD idea. And
> the reason is that it is asynchronous, so the user is getting taught
> to respond to (possibly fake) windows request their password. This is
> a path for disaster i
That is the reason while the pop-up/under/what ever is a BAD idea. And
the reason is that it is asynchronous, so the user is getting taught
to respond to (possibly fake) windows request their password. This is
a path for disaster if we ever get remotely close to solving Bug n. 1.
And, answering to
Hi Matthew, Mark,
First of all, I'd like to say thank you for posting this as a
discussion to the list - whether I like or dislike what you want to
do it's best it's spoken about!
I think I agree with the notification area being a bad thing,
however I'm not sure that a set of unmovable indicat
Presumably nothing can be added to the notification area without sudo,
so either you are already pwned (game over) or else you can trust the
notification. Not so for pop-up windows.
I think the pop-up Update Manager window was an interesting idea worth
exploring for a couple of releases, but with
On 25/04/10 10:52, Scott Ritchie wrote:
> It would be rather nice if the color were easily matched to a specific
> menu option indicating WHY the indicator is glowing this way. So When
> the power icon glows red, we can make the Restart button glow red too,
> calling attention to it in particular
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 13:58, Diego Moya wrote:
>
> AFAIK the Tracker [1][2] project already does this. They even have
> some support for Nautilus integration [3]. Tracker is based on Nepomuk
> [4], a project to create a semantic metadata back-end that supports
> all kind of relational informatio
> Disagree. Because update-manager does not require gksudo, there is no
> screen dimming or anything else that indicates in an obvious manner
> that it is an actual update window and not a popup coming from the
> browser.
>
> (I'm not talking about popup in the browser window sense, I'm talking
>
> And you think malware couldn't put up a systray icon tricking you into
> thinking you have updates? You think you would be able to tell the
> difference? The panel icon is just as fakeable as the popup.
Disagree. Because update-manager does not require gksudo, there is no
screen dimming or anyt
On Sunday 25,April,2010 05:55 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>
> And you think malware couldn't put up a systray icon tricking you into
> thinking you have updates? You think you would be able to tell the
> difference? The panel icon is just as fakeable as the popup.
Frankly speaking, I think I'd h
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:55, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> Some security updates are not active until you reboot. Period. If there is a
> security problem in your kernel, you need a new kernel, and you need to boot
> it. We're done a lot of work to minimise the number of cases where that's
> import
On 24/04/10 15:20, Jim Rorie wrote:
> But you are penalizing the very people that are helping you. I can't
> install updates automatically because I'm typically running a late
> alpha, beta or RC to help Ubuntu test it's product. Or I'm on
> development machine that can't afford to go down becaus
I like how the new Lucid shutdown menu glows red when a restart is
required. It gives a nice contrast to the other indicators in the panel.
We can extend this idea a little further. It's current behavior only
changes the text, from "Restart" to "Restart required..."
It would be rather nice
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