Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make?

2011-11-22 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 22 November 2011 15:50, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > It would be useful to enumerate the user-visible benefits if Automake can > depend on using GNU make.  Otherwise it is difficult to do a cost/benefit > analysis from the user perspective.  Can you and others please brainstorm a > list of benefi

Re: Could automake-generated Makefiles required GNU make? (was: Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] portability)

2011-11-22 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 22 November 2011 20:48, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > It would be quite useful for a FSF project to be spun-up to create an > embeddable/small language interpreter and standard library which is capable > of efficiently implementing complex make-like functionality ('automake') as > well as providin

Typo in 1.9 manual

2006-12-19 Thread Reuben Thomas
"Before we illustrate these two possibility" possibility -> possibilities

Re: make -s should cause libtool to get --silent

2007-01-08 Thread Reuben Thomas
On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: That would be Automake's or make's responsibility. I've already been told the opposite (owing to my ineptitude, this was off-list as well); Mike Frysinger said: "either way, it'd be a libtool issue ... libtool provides the automake/autoconf code t

Re: Bad contents entry in manual

2007-01-10 Thread Reuben Thomas
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: Could you please recheck whether this issue persists for you with Automake 1.10, No, it works fine, thanks. I hadn't realised that 1.10 had been released, nor that my GNU/Linux distribution already contains it! -- http://rrt.sc3d.org/ | think tank

Re: Lack of clarity in description of directory variables

2007-01-11 Thread Reuben Thomas
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: Hmm, which documentation are you looking at? Let's see: Automake 1.9.x never knew about datarootdir, and 1.10 doesn't have the above wording at all. Some Autoconf versions may have had it, but the current (2.61) one is different. I guess you're look

Portability warnings: split into non-GNU and non-portable?

2007-01-15 Thread Reuben Thomas
automake 1.10 has started complaining about GNU Make-isms. This is fair enough, but it seems to satisfy a fairly small constituency (those using GNU autotools without GNU make) while annoying a rather larger one (those who enjoy the power of GNU make). While I understand why you'd want to make

Logic-o in automake manual

2008-02-04 Thread Reuben Thomas
Node: CVS " This timestamp shift is troublesome when both sources and generated files are kept under CVS. Because CVS processes files in alphabetical order, `configure.ac' will appear older than `configure' after a `cvs update' that updates both files, even if `configure' was newer than `configu

Baked-in paths

2010-03-14 Thread Reuben Thomas
I imagine this question has been asked before, but searching the archives, the net and the manual didn't help me with the following: I have a C program which loads some scripts at runtime. These are stored in datadir (e.g. /usr/local/share/prog). But I also want to be able to run the program from

Re: Baked-in paths

2010-03-14 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 14 March 2010 22:39, Martin Kalbfuß wrote: > Am Sonntag, den 14.03.2010, 22:29 + schrieb Reuben Thomas: >> I imagine this question has been asked before, but searching the >> archives, the net and the manual didn't help me with the following: >> >> I h

Re: Baked-in paths

2010-03-15 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 15 March 2010 01:30, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Sun, 14 Mar 2010, Reuben Thomas wrote: > >> I imagine this question has been asked before, but searching the >> archives, the net and the manual didn't help me with the following: >> >> I have a C program

Re: Building prog first

2010-03-21 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 21 March 2010 11:40, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: > * Russell Shaw wrote on Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:18:03AM CET: >> But it is somewhat big, and i had already searched through the online >> one a lot first. It is no wonder it takes noobs so long to get productive. > > I'm not sure how to help that.  I

Re: Building prog first

2010-03-22 Thread Reuben Thomas
2010/3/22 Russell Shaw : > Steffen Dettmer wrote: >> >> * On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: >>> BTW, execution of built programs like this makes your package unsuitable >>> for cross-compilation.  Just so you're aware of that. Not true. automake does not have explicit suppor

Re: Building prog first

2010-03-22 Thread Reuben Thomas
2010/3/22 Alfred M. Szmidt : > If searching is the problem *Web* searching is the answer, not the problem. > how does the indices not fix the problem? I rarely find anything useful in the indices other than particular functions or variables. Rarely, in GNU manuals, concepts, but that is because

Re: Building prog first

2010-03-23 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 23 March 2010 06:03, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: > Hello Reuben, > > * Reuben Thomas wrote on Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 04:44:17PM CET: >> 2010/3/22 Russell Shaw: >> > Steffen Dettmer wrote: >> >> * On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: >>

Re: Building prog first

2010-03-23 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 23 March 2010 10:15, Steffen Dettmer wrote: >> This illustrates a weirdness of autotools: poor support for >> installing interpreted languages, and also conversely for >> build-time compiled programs. > > Yes, also for coffee-cooking there is poor support only. :-) Sure, but autotools is for b

Re: Building prog first

2010-03-23 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 23 March 2010 17:15, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > >   2010/3/22 Alfred M. Szmidt : >   > If searching is the problem > >   *Web* searching is the answer, not the problem. > > It isn't when you are not connected to a network. I usually wait until I am; it often takes me rather longer to answer que

Re: Building prog first

2010-03-23 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 23 March 2010 18:12, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > You say that the manuals are poor I said that the indices are poor, specifically at indexing concepts rather than just keywords, function names &c., in general. I also said that the manuals in general are excellent. > and that it is obvious, but

Re: dist-xz compression level

2010-04-12 Thread Reuben Thomas
On 11 April 2010 23:37, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > Yes, compression is useful.  However, the cost of pushing the algorithm > close to the limit does incur costs as well.  For many packages, getting 99% > of the max in 1/2 the time is a worthy tradeoff. This is similar to the > decision to use -O2 as

bug#7364: Typo in manual

2010-11-10 Thread Reuben Thomas
"Script are not distributed by default" -> "Scripts are not distributed by default" -- http://rrt.sc3d.org

bug#8071: Please rename automake invocation node

2011-02-17 Thread Reuben Thomas
This is actually a bug that affects several autotools packages, excluding autoconf, for which it's already fixed: the invocation node is added to the info dir as "automake" which means that info automake goes to the invocation node, not the Top node. autoconf calls its invocation node autoconf-i