Re: Autotools GSoC ideas

2011-03-10 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 08:52:39AM +0100, Stefano Lattarini wrote: > OK. If you say that a more fuzzy proposal shouldn't cause problems at > this point, I'll follow your lead. In our experience, fuzzy proposals do not work well. Very few students are up to making design decisions -- and cons

RE: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Jef Driesen
mi...@gnu.org wrote: > Jef Driesen writes: >> Isn't it easier to just check for the presence of the header file and/or >> the library file, avoiding pkg-config entirely? > > Well, I'd prefer not to guess when possible, and not using pkg-config > for a package that wants you to use it means you en

Re: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Miles Bader
Jef Driesen writes: > I'm aware of the advantage of using pkg-config. I even supply the *.pc > files for my own projects. But the point is that if I want to support > systems that don't have pkg-config installed (like Mac OS X in my > case), I have to provide a fallback with manual detection anywa

Re: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Vincent Torri
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Jef Driesen wrote: > > mi...@gnu.org wrote: > > Jef Driesen writes: > >> Isn't it easier to just check for the presence of the header file and/or > >> the library file, avoiding pkg-config entirely? > > > > Well, I'd prefer not to guess when possible, and not usi

Re: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Miles Bader
Miles Bader writes: > I don't even try to fully support systems without pkg-config, I > basically just want a fallback so I can get some sort of build on them, > maybe with some features disabled. I should note that although this is my tactic, it's not actually a very important point. For the re

RE: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Jef Driesen
daveh...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:02 UTC, Jef Driesen wrote: > > I'm aware of the advantage of using pkg-config. I even supply the *.pc > > files for my own projects. But the point is that if I want to support > > systems > > that don't have pkg-config installed (like Mac OS

Re: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Jef Driesen
On 10/03/11 17:14, Dave Hart wrote: On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Jef Driesen wrote: You don't have to convince me of the advantages of using pkg-config. I want to use pkg-config for exactly the same reasons as you explain. But when I tried to build my project on a system without pkg-config

Re: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Dave Hart
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 10:02 UTC, Jef Driesen wrote: > I'm aware of the advantage of using pkg-config. I even supply the *.pc > files for my own projects. But the point is that if I want to support systems > that don't have pkg-config installed (like Mac OS X in my case), I have to > provide a fa

Re: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:38:16AM +0100, Vincent Torri wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Jef Driesen wrote: > > > > > mi...@gnu.org wrote: > > > Jef Driesen writes: > > >> Isn't it easier to just check for the presence of the header file and/or > > >> the library file, avoiding pkg-conf

Re: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Dave Hart
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Jef Driesen wrote: > You don't have to convince me of the advantages of using pkg-config. > I want to use pkg-config for exactly the same reasons as you explain. > But when I tried to build my project on a system without pkg-config > installed it failed. Proceeding

Re: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Miles Bader
Roger Leigh writes: > This is not meant to sound like a troll, but: is anyone really > *really* using static linking in 2011? Sure; it's very useful for specialized libraries that won't be widely used enough to merit the effort to build and install as dynamic libraries. Using/creating static lib

Re: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
Hello, * Roger Leigh wrote on Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 01:03:16PM CET: > This is not meant to sound like a troll, but: is anyone really > *really* using static linking in 2011? I'd love to answer no, but at least parts of the HPC crowd will do almost anything to get a couple percent more performance

Re: Automake GSoC idea

2011-03-10 Thread Ralf Wildenhues
[ adding the SoC list back in Cc: ] Hello, * Daniel Herring wrote on Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 08:06:45AM CET: > Refactor Automake so it can easily be extended for new file types. Yes, this is a good idea, too. Actually, there is a pending patch from Valentin that does an important first step in thi

Re: PKG_CHECK_MODULES on system without pkg-config installed?

2011-03-10 Thread Daniel Herring
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Ralf Wildenhues wrote: * Roger Leigh wrote on Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 01:03:16PM CET: This is not meant to sound like a troll, but: is anyone really *really* using static linking in 2011? I'd love to answer no, but at least parts of the HPC crowd will do almost anything to g