> Probably no curtains, but they do have windshield wiper to clear away
the cruft.
The light rail trolleys around where I live also have pull-down sun
shades to protect the driver from glare. :-)
/me will stop now
---
William Tracy
John Calcote wrote:
> On 1/29/2010 10:17 AM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Bob Friesenhahn
>>> Regarding silent installs: Why do passenger trains have windows?
>> Why do passenger train windows have curtains?
> Okay - I can't help
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> * Ralf Wildenhues wrote on 2010/01/30 00:34:17:
> > First off, `make -s' is both POSIX and portable.
> > Conceptually, `make -s' has nothing to do with the
> > `silent-rules' option that recent
>
> Exactly, and I am asking for autotools/li
* John Calcote wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 14:22 -0700:
> On 1/29/2010 10:17 AM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
> >Why do passenger train windows have curtains?
>
> Okay - I can't help it! I bet the engineer's windows don't have
> curtains.
:-)
I think we have to accept that there are different require
Ralf Wildenhues wrote on 2010/01/31 08:33:29:
>
> * Joakim Tjernlund wrote on Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 02:57:40PM CET:
> > Ralf Wildenhues wrote on 2010/01/30 00:34:17:
> > > First off, `make -s' is both POSIX and portable. Conceptually, `make
> > > -s' has nothing to do with the `silent-rules' optio
Ralf Wildenhues wrote on 2010/01/31 08:24:44:
>
> Hello,
>
> let me address one part of the issue here (for the moment let's
> ignore the separate libtool --mode=install verbosity issue):
>
> * Alfred M. Szmidt wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 05:47:40PM CET:
> > You don't need that much programming
* Joakim Tjernlund wrote on Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 02:57:40PM CET:
> Ralf Wildenhues wrote on 2010/01/30 00:34:17:
> > First off, `make -s' is both POSIX and portable. Conceptually, `make
> > -s' has nothing to do with the `silent-rules' option that recent
>
> Exactly, and I am asking for autotools
Hello,
let me address one part of the issue here (for the moment let's
ignore the separate libtool --mode=install verbosity issue):
* Alfred M. Szmidt wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 05:47:40PM CET:
> You don't need that much programming skills to fix this, infact, all
> the scaffolding is in place
Ralf Wildenhues wrote on 2010/01/30 00:34:17:
>
> Hello,
>
> * Joakim Tjernlund wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 09:05:07AM CET:
> >
> > Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
> >
> > I would really like to see autotools and libtool respect make -s.
> > When a developer ask
Peter Johansson wrote on 2010/01/29 18:00:33:
>
> Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> > Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
> >
> >
> Wow. Pointless trying to add anything to discussion whether things are
> good or evil.
>
> But note this comment in depend2.am:
>
> ## Verbosity
"Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote on 2010/01/29 17:47:40:
>
>> I was refering to AM_SILENT_RULES, which supresses `make all'
>> output; so this is not a very controversial topic, it is already
>> in automake and used by several projects. Would you like to work
>> on this feature? The main
Hello,
* Joakim Tjernlund wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 09:05:07AM CET:
>
> Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
>
> I would really like to see autotools and libtool respect make -s.
> When a developer asks for a silent build in order to catch problems
> all one shou
On 1/29/2010 10:17 AM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Bob Friesenhahn
wrote:
Regarding silent installs: Why do passenger trains have windows?
Why do passenger train windows have curtains?
SCNR :)
Okay - I can't help it! I bet the engineer'
Joakim Tjernlund writes:
> I don't know where to start even and considering that silent builds
> seems to be a very controversial subject within the autotools
> maintainers , I think this needs to come from the maintainers themselves
> to have any chance to be accepted.
There are some people on
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Bob Friesenhahn
wrote:
> Regarding silent installs: Why do passenger trains have windows?
Why do passenger train windows have curtains?
SCNR :)
oki,
Steffen
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 01/29/2010 02:05 PM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
>> Could you please explain that?
>
> Example: Compling a package under linux
>
> configure --prefix=/usr
> ...
> gcc -DCONFDIR="/foo/bar" -DIRIX ...
>
> Using silent make rules you will no
Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
Wow. Pointless trying to add anything to discussion whether things are
good or evil.
But note this comment in depend2.am:
## Verbosity of FASTDEP rules
## --
## (1) Some peop
> I was refering to AM_SILENT_RULES, which supresses `make all'
> output; so this is not a very controversial topic, it is already
> in automake and used by several projects. Would you like to work
> on this feature? The maintainers can't accept a patch that
> doesn't exist after a
knowledge
by talking about GNU when you talk about GNU-powered software
distributions (a la GNU/Linux instead of just Linux). See
http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html for more details.
Dag nabbit! The broken record is repeating again. Got to get a new
one.
Regarding silent instal
On 01/29/2010 03:42 PM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
On 01/29/2010 02:05 PM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius
wrote:
>> Silent make rules are harmful:
>> - Bogus defines []
>> typically do not show up as compiler warnings o
On 01/29/2010 02:05 PM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius
wrote:
>> Silent make rules are harmful:
>> - Bogus defines []
>> typically do not show up as compiler warnings or errors.
>
> Could you please explain that?
Exam
On 01/29/2010 02:05 PM, Steffen Dettmer wrote:
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Silent make rules are harmful:
- Bogus defines []
typically do not show up as compiler warnings or errors.
Could you please explain that?
Example: Compling a package under linux
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> Silent make rules are harmful:
> - Bogus defines []
> typically do not show up as compiler warnings or errors.
Could you please explain that?
Here, most either use make from vim/emacs and use $EDITOR as error
message parser or u
"Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote on 2010/01/29 11:59:51:
>
>> And there are many examples of the opposite where less verbose
>> output is useful, automake already supports silent compilation.
>> I know that
>
>Yes, but automake --silent is a different tool, perhaps it should
>learn sup
> And there are many examples of the opposite where less verbose
> output is useful, automake already supports silent compilation.
> I know that
Yes, but automake --silent is a different tool, perhaps it should
learn suppress the install mgs as well as other libtool msgs such
as
"Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote on 2010/01/29 11:17:24:
>
> And there are many examples of the opposite where less verbose output
> is useful, automake already supports silent compilation. I know that
Yes, but automake --silent is a different tool, perhaps it should
learn suppress the install mgs as we
Ralf Corsepius wrote on 2010/01/29 10:05:04:
>
> On 01/29/2010 09:35 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> > Ralf Corsepius wrote on 2010/01/29 09:21:46:
> >
> >> On 01/29/2010 09:05 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
> >>>
> >>> I wou
On 01/29/2010 11:17 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
And there are many examples of the opposite where less verbose output
is useful,
Where? So far, I have only experienced the contrary.
automake already supports silent compilation.
Yes, some automake maintainers share your opinion. I believe thes
And there are many examples of the opposite where less verbose output
is useful, automake already supports silent compilation. I know that
I have missed errors or warnings beause having had to much output to
read, Joakim, would you like to work on a patch for this? I think it
would be immensly use
On 01/29/2010 09:35 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Ralf Corsepius wrote on 2010/01/29 09:21:46:
On 01/29/2010 09:05 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
I would really like to see autotools and libtool respect make -s.
W
Ralf Corsepius wrote on 2010/01/29 09:21:46:
>
> On 01/29/2010 09:05 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> >
> > Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
> >
> > I would really like to see autotools and libtool respect make -s.
> What for?
I just said that below.
>
> > When a de
On 01/29/2010 09:05 AM, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
I would really like to see autotools and libtool respect make -s.
What for?
When a developer asks for a silent build in order to catch problems
all one should see is real warning
Is there a reason why the install target doesn't respect make -s?
I would really like to see autotools and libtool respect make -s.
When a developer asks for a silent build in order to catch problems
all one should see is real warnings and problems.
Jocke
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