A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread Shawn H Corey
I have just added an article to my blog on my programming language about the GNU AutoTools. Please feel free to comment. http://kori-programming-language.blogspot.ca/2014/09/a-closer-look-at-gnu-autotools.html -- Don't stop where the ink does. Shawn ___

Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread John Spencer
Shawn H Corey wrote: I have just added an article to my blog on my programming language about the GNU AutoTools. Please feel free to comment. http://kori-programming-language.blogspot.ca/2014/09/a-closer-look-at-gnu-autotools.html i wanted to comment on this that you should take a look at h

Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread Nick Bowler
On 2014-09-04 13:47 -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: > I have just added an article to my blog on my programming language > about the GNU AutoTools. Please feel free to comment. > > http://kori-programming-language.blogspot.ca/2014/09/a-closer-look-at-gnu-autotools.html Quoted from the linked page: >

Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread Shawn H Corey
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:33:13 -0400 Nick Bowler wrote: > Can you be more constructive? I think Autoconf and Automake have > rather good manuals[1][2]. Why are they crappy? How can we make > them better? > > [1] https://gnu.org/s/autoconf/manual/autoconf.html > [2] https://gnu.org/s/automake/man

Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread Nick Bowler
On 2014-09-04 17:00 -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:33:13 -0400 > Nick Bowler wrote: > > Can you be more constructive? I think Autoconf and Automake have > > rather good manuals[1][2]. Why are they crappy? How can we make > > them better? > > > > [1] https://gnu.org/s/autoc

Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread Shawn H Corey
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:55:27 -0400 Nick Bowler wrote: > On 2014-09-04 17:00 -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:33:13 -0400 > > Nick Bowler wrote: > > > Can you be more constructive? I think Autoconf and Automake have > > > rather good manuals[1][2]. Why are they crappy? How

Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread Paul Eggert
Shawn H Corey wrote: You mean those ASCII diagrams that should be inside tags? And you don't think that's crappy? The manuals can be improved, and a good way to improve them is to propose specific patches, in 'git diff' format. Merely complaining about them will probably not be an effective

RE: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread John Calcote
> -Original Message- > From: autoconf-bounces+john.calcote=gmail@gnu.org > [mailto:autoconf-bounces+john.calcote=gmail@gnu.org] On Behalf Of > Shawn H Corey > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 4:05 PM > To: autoconf > Subject: Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools > ... > That's beca

Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
On 09/04/2014 11:00 PM, Shawn H Corey wrote: > When was the last time you read completely through those manuals? > There's too much information all at once. And I didn't say the manuals > were bad. It's that the documentation is too dense and not organized > for learning. In other words, crappy.

Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread Shawn H Corey
On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 15:12:32 -0700 Paul Eggert wrote: > The manuals can be improved, and a good way to improve them is to > propose specific patches, in 'git diff' format. Merely complaining > about them will probably not be an effective use of your time. Patronizing novices might make you fe

Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread Shawn H Corey
On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 00:36:11 +0200 Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: > at least with autotools there are alternative documentation sources: > > * the good old "Goats Book" which is also available online, and seems > to have received an update lately: > > https://www.sourceware.org/autobook/autobo

Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread Shawn H Corey
On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:40:40 -0600 "John Calcote" wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: autoconf-bounces+john.calcote=gmail@gnu.org > > [mailto:autoconf-bounces+john.calcote=gmail@gnu.org] On Behalf > > Of Shawn H Corey > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 4:05 PM > > To: autoc

Re: A Closer Look at GNU AutoTools

2014-09-04 Thread Paul Eggert
Shawn H Corey wrote: How on Earth do you expect somebody who does know very much about autoconf be able to correct the problems? I expect them to make constructive and specific suggestions, which have been in short supply in this thread but which have occurred in the past and, I hope, the fut