Re: autoreconf gets autopoint order wrong?

2002-10-08 Thread Akim Demaille
| %% Akim Demaille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | ad> aclocal is to be run twice: one first time to make sure all the | ad> macros that might be used are imported, so that, for instance, if | ad> you use PDS_USUAL_STUFF which includes an invocation of | ad> AM_GNU_GETTEXT, or AC_PROG_LIBTO

Re: cross compiling -- building programs to run on build system

2002-10-08 Thread Stewart Brodie
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "John W. Eaton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is the right way to use autoconf to determine the compiler and > system characteristics for tools that are written in C and must be run > as part of a larger build that is cross compiled? > > For example,

Re: cross compiling -- building programs to run on build system

2002-10-08 Thread Andreas Schwab
Stewart Brodie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: |> This is the approach that I have taken: |> |> AC_MSG_NOTICE([configuring the tools for *native* builds]) |> cd tools && \ |> ./configure --build=$build_alias --host=$build_alias --target=$host_alias Note that this does not work if $srcdir != $buildd

Re: cross compiling -- building programs to run on build system

2002-10-08 Thread Stewart Brodie
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Andreas Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stewart Brodie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > |> This is the approach that I have taken: > |> > |> AC_MSG_NOTICE([configuring the tools for *native* builds]) > |> cd tools && \ > |> ./configure --build=$build_

Re: Compiling Autoconf 2.54 CVS

2002-10-08 Thread f l
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Re: cross compiling -- building programs to run on build system

2002-10-08 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 10:11:28AM +0100, Stewart Brodie wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "John W. Eaton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If necessary, I could put these tools in a separate directory with an > > independent configure script, but then what is the correct way to te

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 01:30:37PM -0400, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: > Deliberately introducing design incompatibilities simply encourages people > to use other tools. Then why's MS Office so popular? :-) Seriously, so can failing to introduce them, if the price of compatibility is to avoid making

cannot build 2.54 & CVS

2002-10-08 Thread Nathan Sidwell
Hi, I can't build 2.54 or the current cvs on i686-pc-linux-gnu or sparc-sun-solaris2.8. The make error reported is ../../tests/autom4te\ --language=m4sugar \ --freeze\ --output=m4sugar.m4f /home/na

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Thomas E. Dickey
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 01:30:37PM -0400, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: > > Deliberately introducing design incompatibilities simply encourages people > > to use other tools. > > Then why's MS Office so popular? :-) not with me (I figure that it's popular be

Re: cannot build 2.54 & CVS

2002-10-08 Thread Paul Eggert
> From: Nathan Sidwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 20:45:02 +0100 > oo, I just found it. If you have POSIXLY_CORRECT set, you get the > problem POSIXLY_CORRECT breaks a lot of things, unfortunately. I installed the following patches to work around your particular problem, and o

Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Bonzini
We sorely need a libtool 1.4.3 -- autoconf is consistently being blamed for its brokenness and in general its portability is flaky on some systems (like Darwin). I don't have the time and knowledge to propose myself for libtool maintainership, but I can trust people that do have this knowledge an

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
Wouldn't it be better to get libtool 1.5 out the door? The resources required to achieve a releasable product are similar and CVS libtool already contains most of the fixes that would go into a 1.4.3. Bob On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Bonzini wrote: > We sorely need a libtool 1.4.3 -- autoconf is consis

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Akim Demaille
> "Bob" == Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bob> Wouldn't it be better to get libtool 1.5 out the door? The Bob> resources required to achieve a releasable product are similar Bob> and CVS libtool already contains most of the fixes that would go Bob> into a 1.4.3. There is one bi

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: > > There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have > to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? > > I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ 2.54 > immediately. Then, I'm fine with checking the M4 code and making it > up to date.

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Lars Hecking
Bob Friesenhahn writes: > On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: > > > > There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have > > to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? > > > > I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ 2.54 > > immediately. Then, I'm fine with checking the

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Earnie Boyd
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: > >>There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have >>to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? >> >>I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ 2.54 >>immediately. Then, I'm fine with checking the M4 code an

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Earnie Boyd
Lars Hecking wrote: > Bob Friesenhahn writes: > >>On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: >> >>>There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have >>>to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? >>> >>>I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ 2.54 >>>immediately. Then, I'm fi

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Sascha Schumann
> > There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have > > to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? We use it for the PHP project (>80k lines configure script), because 2.5x is 5 to 6 times slower and contains a dependency-ignorant cache system. So, please don't create i

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Earnie Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Two wrongs a right does not make. I.E.: I believe it wrong for any > maintainter to not move forward with the current versions of autotools > regardless of the maintainer's reasons for not doing so. That comes across as pretty arrogant. autoconf 2.5x w

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Thomas E. Dickey
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: > > > > There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have > > to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? > > > > I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ 2.54 > > immediately. Then, I'm fi

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Thomas E. Dickey
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Earnie Boyd wrote: > FWIR, Akim and other developers tried hard to maintain [back|bug]ward > compatibility. But, some of the incompatibility was ill formed autoconf > syntax so that incompatibility wasn't maintained and instead a better > parser was put into place. not at al

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Thomas E. Dickey
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Lars Hecking wrote: > Bob Friesenhahn writes: > > On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: > > > > > > There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have > > > to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? > > > > > > I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Thomas E. Dickey wrote: > > > I agree. I can't imagine why anyone would want to use an antique > > > version of Autoconf which dates from 1996. > > > > Because it works? In any case, it's the respective maintainer's choice. > > > > Making autoconf incompatible with previous

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Pavel Roskin
Hello, Russ! I'm the one who suggested the version 2.50 when it was discussed whether the next version should be 2.14, 2.15 or 3.0. The reason was because there was some incompatibility, but not significant to justify the major number change. It is possible to write configure.in compatible with

Re: Libtool 1.4.3 - unsolvable issue

2002-10-08 Thread Allan Clark (rply to list pls)
Libtool-ers; I think this issue simply becomes mired by stacking up on either side of a "for/against" line. Previously, it was mentioned that certain troublesome source trees be used as litmus tests for automake or autoconf changes; the same may hold true now for libtool. Brief summary: if you

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Bernd Jendrissek
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:36:40AM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On 8 Oct 2002, Akim Demaille wrote: > > There is one big question which must be answered first: will it have > > to be Autoconf 2.13 compatible? > > > > I *strongly* suggest that it must not. It should AC_PREREQ 2.54 > > immediate

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Sascha Schumann
> I developed/maintain the configure script for ImageMagick. While the > total lines in the generated configure script is meaningless, it is > less than 1/2 of what you report for PHP, and PHP's configure script > is 4-8X larger than typical configure scripts for other large packages > (e.g. 4X l

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Pavel Roskin
Hello! > People who stick to the 2.13 guns can stick to the libtool > 1.3.3/whatever guns. I see no reason why *new* code (third-party > packages) should require a *new* libtool but an *old* autoconf. And the > argument that "2.13 works" doesn't fly by me: "so does 1.4.2" (or > whatever the las

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Sascha Schumann
[Cc line trimmed] > me too! :) I think we have heard all arguments by now. There is no need to reiterate them. Whatever the outcome of this thread might be -- I hope those who work on libtool will continue to provide a toolkit which is suitable for all of us -- develop

Re: Libtool 1.4.3

2002-10-08 Thread Robert Boehne
Ok, So a 1.4.3 version is desired, that's established. The million-dollar question is: Does current branch-1-4 Libtool do the trick? If so, then a roll out could be done within the week. Robert -- Robert Boehne Software Engineer Ricardo Software Chicago Technical Center TEL: