This discussion has me so confused!
What is up, what is down, what is left, what is right.
I seem to be hearing, if you want this, you have to hold your mouth just right,
and then you can't do that.
None of this discussion has made any sense to me
Paul McNary
From: "Owen DeLong vi
I must somewhat agree. Our fiber provide to our ISP just recently rolled out
ipv6 but not dual stack.
We have a great deal of problems routing to ipv6 hosts from our customers ipv6
ip addresses.
We have trouble with our Verizon phones on ipv6 getting to our routers.
People out in the country putt
Yes Owen you have valid points.
We are WISP in rural area.
Our problem was we were using /24 and /22 we had with the datacenter for years.
We also had /24 with low cost with that data center.
We had another provider that could provide us bandwidth through the other
Datacenter in the same building.
+1
I have 1 document from him that ARIN will not accept for legacy transfer.
He was a dear friend
He had a fire at his condo on Park Avenue.
I covered his remaining clients until he was back online.
He actually had the fire after selling his condo
But before closing.
The fire destroyed the room th
o deploy IPv6 was our fault, but you’re entitled to your
opinion.
My role at ARIN was as a volunteer trying to help the community develop
policies that met the needs of the
community in a fair and equitable manner. I resigned from that role in June and
now my relationship to ARIN
is that of victi
p with reliability.
Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021, Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML wrote:
> Owen you did not even comprehend what I said.
> That's the whole problem
> You and ARIN never solved or advised me on I what I needed to do jus
I need to make a slight correction.
I am semi retired from our Internet company and my son runs the show.
He is a triple major Engineer and is PE certifiable in each of the 3 areas.
He says he has deployed IPv6 to subscribers.
But Simple and Cheap NO.
5 years and a complete forklift to all subscrib
is no assurance that
> the interference will stop, especially if you operate point to multipoint
> like most WISPS. I would suggest that you instead try to move at least
> some of your links to licensed, which may allow you to stay put. Start
> with the ones that have the most inter
I think that should put to an all member vote on a matter like this.
They have so many damn mailings, it is done on purpose so that they can say it
was put out on this other mailing list.
Either that or campaign for new board members. And John just as well be
replaced also. He been there too lo
That's the way it is here also and that covers most of the low density rural
areas and small towns and village in Missouri Statewide.
Paul
- Original Message -
From: "scott"
To: "Owen DeLong"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 8:45:58 AM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Open
assignment then providing "reasonable" proof that an address was provided for
legitimate use would make a lot of sense to me. However, and admittedly, it's
not that simple. Mostly because we don't want it to be. To some extent, because
it can't be. You are a victim of &q
Maybe ARIN and staff should move to Kansas City like the Department of
Agriculture did to the Ag Research Science Division.
They used the facts that it is much cheaper in KC for rent, employee cost of
living, central to US.
The said inside the Beltway was too expensive, so they just up and mov
Where can we see the new fee schedule mainly for ISP's?
Thanks
Paul
From: "ARIN"
To: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 10:06:24 AM
Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-5: Update ISP and End User
References For 2022 Fee Schedule
On 16 September 2021, the ARIN Adviso
Then how do we get random /24's routed.
Since we have to justify for each /24 and usually if we need another /24 it
will be disaggregated.
I do not understand how any other way than for use to advertise it via bgp.
Paul
- Original Message -
From: "William Herrin"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent:
ARIN IPv4 is exhausted. Your statement makes no sense.
Paul
- Original Message -
From: "William Herrin"
To: "Paul E McNary"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 10:26:29 AM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement
On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 a
However I see policies getting made that cause a great conflict of Interest.
From: "John Curran"
To: "Owen DeLong"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 6:13:11 AM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Proposal to ban Leasing of IP Addresses in the ARIN
region
Owen -
I do not deci
John
You keep using the word fraud.
This is not an issue of fraud by my understanding but ARIN POLICY.
Please correct your misuse of your language. PLEASE
- Original Message -
From: "John Curran"
To: "William Herrin"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:23:49 PM
Subject: Re:
John you just did discuss the resource holder publicly in question. You stated
you reviewed the case in question. Go back and look at your own words.
You shared that they had been properly vetted with policy in place at the time,
did you not?
That is a public statement, is it not?
Your Inside
"voluntarily dissolved corporations"
This term has caused me much grief with ARIN.
I being a sole proprietorship had many issues and 2 years proving who I was to
get resources.
Amd it is almost impossible to get legacy resources transferred by ARIN if from
sole proprietorship.
It looks like sole
I was told by John in person that heirs/successors had no legal rights to
legacy resources.
This was also repeated by ARIN staff at the time.
They would be automatically recovered on death.
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Woodfield"
To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" , "arin-ppml"
Sent: Mond
It was you John Curran at WISPAMERICA when it was at Louisville I think.
So Legacy Resources or any Resources remain with the Estate, That is excellent
to know!
At the time your argument was that Number Resources were not property that
could be probated.
Your view was that Number Resources wer
Legacy Resources do not have fees to ARIN if not under LRSA, correct?
" compliance with policy " is a double edged sword.
You do have an "Inside The Beltway" use of the US English language :-)
From: "John Curran"
To: "pmcnary"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:46:31 AM
Subj
Bill
Then why the threat?
- Original Message -
From: "William Herrin"
To: "Fernando Frediani"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 1:09:47 PM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?
On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 8:02 AM Fernando Frediani wrote:
> Question here John: if the resou
John Can you please speak Regular US English
I did not understand your staement at all :-(
- Original Message -
From: "John Curran"
To: "William Herrin"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 1:35:08 PM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?
> On 25 Jul 2022, at 2:09 PM, Wil
That is why I always say John uses "Inside The Beltway" Non-Responsive language.
He just stated to me that number resources are probate-able.
That means something that has value to the estate or heirs.
Normally property. Legacy resources were issued without contract.
So contract law is not valid an
John
What I have found is that there is "Official" ARIN policy
and policy created by the You and the Staff and you may or may not enforce it
based on your wishes and desired outcome.
You were just asked for policy example for clarification from Owen and you did
a hard refusal.
- Original Mes
I mean Bill
- Original Message -
From: "pmcnary"
To: "pmcnary"
Cc: "William Herrin" , "arin-ppml"
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 2:22:34 PM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?
John
What I have found is that there is "Official" ARIN policy
and policy created by the You and the St
John look back in this thread
You said you chose to enforce or NOT enforce policy. I think you went so far
and said "refuse" to enforce.
That is not uniform. Do you/ARIN Staff make these decisions or does the elected
representatives?
Again, please refrain from your use of "Inside the Beltway" Eng
Ronald
Here is a tidbit.
In Missouri an individual ie. sole proprietorship can form an LLC.
In Missouri LLC can also mean Limited Liability Companay.
In that instance your definition of LLC would be incorrect.
This type LLC falls under individual legal business model and not corporate as
you are i
Also an individual LLC Limited Liability Company MUST use a fictitious name in
Missouri and
not it's federal business name. Ask me how I know. I went though this.
- Original Message -
From: "arin-ppml"
To: "Ronald F. Guilmette"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 2:45:00 PM
Su
my network, good
luck finding any judge that will rule that I have somehow stolen your
property by configuring a binary number in my network devices.
Number resources are just integers, and nobody can lay claim of
property ownership on an integer.
End of story.
Matt
On Mon, Jul 25, 2
at ARIN is keeping updated
is the single source of truth for what the community has agreed belongs
in the routing table.
But if I configure your number resources internally in my network, good
luck finding any judge that will rule that I have somehow stolen your
property by configuring a bina
that will rule that I have somehow stolen your
property by configuring a binary number in my network devices.
Number resources are just integers, and nobody can lay claim of
property ownership on an integer.
End of story.
Matt
On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:20 PM Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML
ed
is the single source of truth for what the community has agreed belongs
in the routing table.
But if I configure your number resources internally in my network, good
luck finding any judge that will rule that I have somehow stolen your
property by configuring a binary number in my network de
ansfer process. The transfer cannot complete
otherwise.
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
On 25 Jul 2022, at 4:02 PM, Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML < [
mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net | arin-ppml@arin.net ] > wrote:
John you have repeat
p the
registration” even means?
If you obtain a legacy block via the transfer market, it will already have been
verified and cleaned up
by the seller as part of the transfer process. The transfer cannot complete
otherwise.
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry fo
Bill
You said what I tried to remember and say. :-)
You forget "Inside The Beltway" One could never win tortuous interference
lawsuit of this nature.
We do not speak their language which the Federal Courts also speak in the DC
Circuit. :-)
It is business as usual for them. :-(
They probably
John
If I remember correctly, you are about 56?
I only have 8 years on you :-)
- Original Message -
From: "William Herrin"
To: "John Curran"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 4:42:26 PM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?
On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 2:28 PM John Curran
S ole proprietors can get resources but it is difficult and time consuming to
jump through ARIN hoops for us.
You still have to register with Secretary of State which Missouri did not do
for sole proprietors when I started my ARIN process.
However it became a little easier when we formed a LLC
If I understood what John clarified for me earlier in this thread ...
Many of the Legacy blocks will not be under NPRM and ARIN has to tread very
carefully on trying to claw these addresses back.
Many blocks that might be abandoned fall into legacy, especially /24's,
assigned pre-ARIN.
As always,
Go back and read John's comments again.
He did say heirs/successors had rights in probate.
I asked him to repeat that and he did.
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Andrews"
To: "Ted Mittelstaedt"
Cc: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 9:05:25 PM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Deceased
Currently leasing is the only reliable way to get IPv4 since EXHAUSTION, in a
timely manner.
From: "Fernando Frediani"
To: "arin-ppml"
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 11:32:01 AM
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended
Hello Scott
Could you explain be
For one ARIN is technically out of IPv4.
2 - Every Upstream provider I have gotten bandwidth from requires us to use
"their" provided IP Block in front of our block. Albeit 1 or 2 usable IP's.
They also never let us pass through BGP announcing. They take our ASN BGP and
convert to their ASN BGP
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