Re: Arch Linux stuck on legacy iptables by default

2024-10-18 Thread Lone_Wolf
On 18-10-2024 08:35, Jaron Kent-Dobias wrote: On Thursday, 17 October 2024 at 21:16 (-0500), David C. Rankin wrote: On 10/17/24 6:44 AM, Jaron Kent-Dobias wrote: If nftables automatically uninstalls iptables as an indirect dependency, then no, the default should not change. That would seem t

Re: Arch Linux stuck on legacy iptables by default

2024-10-17 Thread Jaron Kent-Dobias
On Thursday, 17 October 2024 at 21:16 (-0500), David C. Rankin wrote: On 10/17/24 6:44 AM, Jaron Kent-Dobias wrote: It's worth noting that nftables is not a newfangled piece of external software – it's been mainlined in the Linux kernel since 2013, and was intended to be the successor to legacy

Re: Arch Linux stuck on legacy iptables by default

2024-10-17 Thread Amish
On 18/10/24 7:46 am, David C. Rankin wrote: From reading, it seems nftables is just larger and more complex netfilter project (and yes it does more -- if you need it). Both iptables and nftables are actively developed, so it's not like one is deprecated. No. Iptables (legacy) that Arch uses b

Re: Arch Linux stuck on legacy iptables by default

2024-10-17 Thread David C. Rankin
On 10/17/24 6:44 AM, Jaron Kent-Dobias wrote: On Thursday, 17 October 2024 at 04:31 (-0500), David C. Rankin wrote: On 10/17/24 3:35 AM, gerard.bi...@gmail.com wrote: nftables is able to respond to iptables commands through the compatibility layer. iptables-nft is the packet for you.  I'm g

Re: Arch Linux stuck on legacy iptables by default

2024-10-17 Thread Jaron Kent-Dobias
On Thursday, 17 October 2024 at 04:31 (-0500), David C. Rankin wrote: On 10/17/24 3:35 AM, gerard.bi...@gmail.com wrote: nftables is able to respond to iptables commands through the compatibility layer. iptables-nft is the packet for you. I'm glad that's there, but then I have to ask myself

Re: Arch Linux stuck on legacy iptables by default

2024-10-17 Thread gerard . bigot
With the iptables-nft packet, you'll use nftables backend, not the iptables one. Look up the difference featurewise between the two, you'll be convicted. Your legacy script, software can still talk iptables to your system, but it's the nftables that answer. If you switch to nftables compatible s

Re: Arch Linux stuck on legacy iptables by default

2024-10-17 Thread David C. Rankin
On 10/17/24 3:35 AM, gerard.bi...@gmail.com wrote: nftables is able to respond to iptables commands through the compatibility layer. iptables-nft is the packet for you. Thank you, I'm glad that's there, but then I have to ask myself, why would I want to run iptables via nftables through

Re: Arch Linux stuck on legacy iptables by default

2024-10-17 Thread gerard . bigot
nftables is able to respond to iptables commands through the compatibility layer. iptables-nft is the packet for you. Le jeu. 17 oct. 2024 à 09:16, David C. Rankin a écrit : > On 10/14/24 8:49 AM, Martin Rys wrote: > > Arch Linux still uses the legacy iptables backend, as opposed to the > > n

Re: Arch Linux stuck on legacy iptables by default

2024-10-17 Thread David C. Rankin
On 10/14/24 8:49 AM, Martin Rys wrote: Arch Linux still uses the legacy iptables backend, as opposed to the nft backend that every other distribution uses. I always thought the iptables default was the result if Arch's KISS philosophy and I really appreciate it. I use iptables, ipset and fail2

Arch Linux stuck on legacy iptables by default

2024-10-14 Thread Martin Rys
Arch Linux still uses the legacy iptables backend, as opposed to the nft backend that every other distribution uses. This has been reported since 2021 with no response: https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/iptables/-/issues/1 To me it looks like a direct, simple migration, an