Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

2023-12-01 Thread U.Mutlu
For each complaint to RIPE NCC then such an (automated) email should be sent by the RIPE NCC to the abuse-c of that member. This should be the absolute minimum that should be done by the RIPE NCC. Matthias Merkel wrote on 11/30/23 11:47: The proposal is to send verification emails to abuse mail

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

2023-12-01 Thread Laura Atkins
None of this will make a company who doesn’t want to deal with abuse complaints deal with abuse complaints. It’s a total waste of resources. laura > On 1 Dec 2023, at 10:53, U.Mutlu wrote: > > For each complaint to RIPE NCC then such an > (automated) email should be sent by the RIPE NCC > to

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

2023-12-01 Thread Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
It will make some organizations start handling reports that didn't do it before. We tried this in Switzerland, sending all ISPs abuse data asking them to deal with it. In the beginning, very little enthusiasm, today most do. None of these proposals have ever been tries, yet your you insist on

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

2023-12-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Might as well wind this WG up. I have been on it for years and don’t see much progress at all. As for “I don’t know what is consensus” – if someone can tell me just how consensus according to your definitions was achieved by having various RIPE regulars just happen to be in the room during an

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

2023-12-01 Thread Laura Atkins
If sending notifications is so effective and you already have the infrastructure in place to do it, then why involve RIPE? Can’t you just send the notices? laura > On 1 Dec 2023, at 12:52, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg > wrote: > > It will make some organizations start handling reports tha

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

2023-12-01 Thread U.Mutlu
Laura Atkins wrote on 12/01/23 13:22: > None of this will make a company who doesn’t want to deal with abuse > complaints deal with abuse complaints. It’s a total waste of resources. Then RIPE has to sanction that member. Example of ignored Abuse Reports regarding email hacking attempts: You ge

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

2023-12-01 Thread Laura Atkins
> On 1 Dec 2023, at 13:22, U.Mutlu wrote: > > Laura Atkins wrote on 12/01/23 13:22: > > None of this will make a company who doesn’t want to deal with abuse > > complaints deal with abuse complaints. It’s a total waste of resources. > > Then RIPE has to sanction that member. So we’re back to:

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

2023-12-01 Thread jordi.palet--- via anti-abuse-wg
Well … exactly the same way it has been already implemented in 2 other RIRs, working and no issues. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet > El 1 dic 2023, a las 14:28, Laura Atkins escribió: > > > >> On 1 Dec 2023, at 13:22, U.Mutlu wrote: >> >> Laura Atkins wrote on 12/01/23 13:22: >> > None of th

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

2023-12-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
I seem to remember an OPTA.nl proposal from 2011 or so which was remarkably cogent. I can’t find it right now. As my (partial) email archives from that period contain threads about ignored abuse reports and netblocks with entirely bogus contact information (eg the address is an empty lot and t

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

2023-12-01 Thread Ping Technology Labs LTD
A lot of what is being requested in this thread seems outside of RIPEs remit and raises endless questions about responsibility / overreach. RIPEs job is to manage the distribution and registration of resources across members as efficiently and fairly as possible - I've only been a member for a few