Re: [anti-abuse-wg] personal data in the RIPE Database

2022-06-02 Thread jeroen
Michele, I have a question for u then. What would happen if i can find more people that actually would want this then u can find people that don't want this. Would that make a difference? I'm very curious on your answer. Kind regards Van: Michele Neylon - Blacknight Verzon

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] personal data in the RIPE Database

2022-06-02 Thread Matthias Merkel
No, because RIPE has no authority to fine anyone. If you think someone is intentionally sending you malicious traffic, the police is the point of contact for you. — Matthias Merkel [https://cdn.staclar.com/logos/novecore/newlogo.png] [Sent from Front] On June 2, 2022, 3:27 PM GMT+2 jer...@hacke

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] personal data in the RIPE Database

2022-06-02 Thread jeroen
That could be changed if u ask me by contractual changes Ripe has with it's members. But i kinda get the feeling people in this group don't want to make the internet a better place! Kind regards Van: Matthias Merkel Verzonden: donderdag 2 juni 2022 15:31 Aan: jer...@hackersbescherming

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] personal data in the RIPE Database

2022-06-02 Thread Michele Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg
Jeroen RIPE policy is not decided by a vote or astro-turfing. Also what you are proposing is over simplistic and would be impossible to operationalise without bankrupting the NCC. What is "abusive traffic"? Who decides what is or is not "abusive"? Who is going to enforce this? How? Bear in

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] personal data in the RIPE Database

2022-06-02 Thread jeroen
Ok, in a period of 6-7 weeks i gathered 6425 unique IP addresses that where used in an abusive way on a single online service, excluding the 21 that where found in the access log. So i blocked 99,66% of the unwanted traffic fort his particular service Think about; - scanning for vulnarabilities -

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] personal data in the RIPE Database

2022-06-02 Thread Matthias Merkel
6,000 abusive IPs is quite few. I think most people on this list are aware about abuse on the internet (this is what the group is about after all). The question is not whether this usage is wrong, it's whether RIPE is the right venue to enforce it. RIPE is only one of several RIRs, so this would

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] personal data in the RIPE Database

2022-06-02 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Matthias Merkel wrote: >... If you think someone is >intentionally sending you malicious traffic, the police is the point of >contact for you. Yes, because in practice THAT works oh so well! Worldwide, and even in Russia, the police just LOVE cleaning up the messes that we in the n

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] personal data in the RIPE Database

2022-06-02 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <009401d8768b$4286eca0$c794c5e0$@hackersbescherming.nl>, jer...@hackersbescherming.nl wrote: >But again, i get the feeling this group hardly has any people in it from the >public interest and is bassicly filled with internet cowboys who don't care >about all the crap that is being push

[anti-abuse-wg] Mailing List Etiquette

2022-06-02 Thread Markus de Brün
Colleagues, while we encourage any discussion on the list, please keep in mind that we have a code of conduct [1]. Accusing individuals is neither helpful nor acceptable. So please, keep the discussion matter-of-factly and consider your language and phrasing. Kind regards, Markus Co-Chair, R