Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-23 Thread Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg
Hi there, (speaking as Tobias, and not a Chair) I disagree with the idea of defining what abuse is for 3 reasons. First, we will never be going to get it done. If you ask 200 people you'll get 500 opinions. We already know that from RIPE, maawg, IETF, ICANN, and every other organization in the hi

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-23 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 07:20:48PM +0100, Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg wrote: > I disagree with the idea of defining what abuse is for 3 reasons. I do understand your arguments, but I'm not agreeing with the conclusion. If we can't agree on "this is abuse" and "that is not", how can we ev

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-23 Thread Laura Atkins
> On 23 Feb 2022, at 18:39, Gert Doering wrote: > > Hi, > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 07:20:48PM +0100, Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg > wrote: >> I disagree with the idea of defining what abuse is for 3 reasons. > > I do understand your arguments, but I'm not agreeing with the conclusion. >

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-23 Thread Markus de BrĂ¼n
Hi, On 23.02.22 20:00, Laura Atkins wrote: On 23 Feb 2022, at 18:39, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 07:20:48PM +0100, Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg wrote: I disagree with the idea of defining what abuse is for 3 reasons. I do understand your arguments, but I'm not ag

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

2022-02-23 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 23/02/2022 20:39, Gert Doering wrote: This takes me back 50+ years to US Supreme Court Justice Stewart's definition of obscenity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it Regards, Hank Hi, On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 07:20:48PM +0100, Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg wrote: I d