Re: [Anima] [core] constrained resources at root for debugging connectivity

2021-07-22 Thread Carsten Bormann
Time for me to update the coaping gem… Well, yeah, the warning message. Grüße, Carsten $ gem install coaping Fetching coaping-0.0.1.gem Successfully installed coaping-0.0.1 $ coaping coap.me Trying 20 times with coap.me at port 5683, waiting 1.0 second max: /Volumes/nar/Users/cabo-rescue/lib/ru

Re: [Anima] [core] constrained resources at root for debugging connectivity

2021-07-22 Thread Carsten Bormann
On 2021-07-22, at 09:45, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > Time for me to update the coaping gem… Done: VERSIONS: • 0.0.2 - July 22, 2021 (5 KB) • 0.0.1 - November 19, 2012 (4.5 KB) Grüße, Carsten ___ Anima mailing list Anima@ietf.org https

Re: [Anima] [core] constrained resources at root for debugging connectivity

2021-07-22 Thread Christer Holmberg
Hi, Maybe not exactly what people are looking for, but below is a link to the thin-ICE presentation from the T2TRG 2019 session in Singapore. https://github.com/t2trg/2019-11-singapore/blob/master/slides/44-thin-ICE-151119-Singapore.pdf Regards, Christer -Original Message- From: cor

Re: [Anima] draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Esko Dijk
> It is not: the REST-level (here CoAP) Content-Type is the media-type of the > whole thing Thanks, I overlooked this aspect. That implies that the parameter should, instead of 'TBD3' what I thought, describe 'voucher in cbor' for which there is no CoAP cf defined. I assume that the number would

Re: [Anima] draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Carsten Bormann
On 2021-07-22, at 10:23, Esko Dijk wrote: > > be liberal in what it accepts Well, Postel’s principle doesn’t apply to wanton extension of the protocol (~ somebody might decide to do something different from the standard, so I’ll implement my idea of what that could be). If it says you need to

Re: [Anima] [core] constrained resources at root for debugging connectivity

2021-07-22 Thread Carsten Bormann
> On 2021-07-21, at 21:36, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Signed PGP part > > Esko Dijk wrote: >> There is already a "CoAP ping" described in RFC 7252 that can be >> used. It does not access any resource, just the CoAP server endpoint at >> CoAP message layer. As a side effect of this ping you

Re: [Anima] draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Peter van der Stok
Hi, To add my few words, I am a proponent to explicitly state that the payload is a voucher and its signature production. Actually, my code decides what routines to invoke on the basis of that information. Peter Carsten Bormann schreef op 2021-07-22 10:39: On 2021-07-22, at 10:23, Esko Dij

Re: [Anima] [core] constrained resources at root for debugging connectivity

2021-07-22 Thread Olaf Bergmann
Michael, On 2021-07-21, Michael Richardson wrote: > Esko Dijk wrote: > > There is already a "CoAP ping" described in RFC 7252 that can be > > used. It does not access any resource, just the CoAP server endpoint at > > CoAP message layer. As a side effect of this ping your DTLS stack

Re: [Anima] draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Esko Dijk
> Well, Postel’s principle doesn’t apply to wanton extension of the protocol (~ > somebody might decide to do something different from the standard, so I’ll > implement my idea of what that could be). > If it says you need to have X, allowing Y just to get clients to rely on that > and make li

Re: [Anima] draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Esko Dijk
PS created issue https://github.com/anima-wg/constrained-voucher/issues/143 to add the COSE 'content type' header parameter requirement to the draft. (Authors still need to discuss it) -Original Message- From: Carsten Bormann Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 10:39 To: Esko Dijk Cc: draft

Re: [Anima] draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Carsten Bormann
> Yes I read the IETF specs and then implement my idea of what these are trying > to say. It helps if more people are looking at it, as we do in this case :) > to avoid interpretation errors. > From what I read, a COSE_Sign1 object can be adequately described by cf=18 so > that's what I implem

Re: [Anima] [Cbor] Creating CBOR-based media types and content formats

2021-07-22 Thread Michael Richardson
Carsten Bormann wrote: >> I don't think you should hide the example in the appendix. >> >> Rather, I think that you should make it the core of the document, >> explaining each bit of arcana. > That sounds like a great project for long winter evenings at the > fireside. (

Re: [Anima] Argh?!: Re: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Michael Richardson
Toerless Eckert wrote: > So: if we wanted to support the COSE content-type field semantically > correctly, we should ask for another registry entry: > application/voucher-cbor TBD4 I don't understand what that would be for. We already are registering application/voucher-cose+cbor i

Re: [Anima] draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Michael Richardson
Esko Dijk wrote: > object is a Voucher/VR. So to be compliant to the draft I can remove > support for cf=18 as soon as TBD3 is allocated. I still don't see how > cf=18 could be 'wanton extension of the protocol' as it is just using > CoAP/COSE defined mechanisms that apparently ar

Re: [Anima] Argh?!: Re: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Carsten Bormann
On 2021-07-22, at 22:55, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Signed PGP part > > Toerless Eckert wrote: >> So: if we wanted to support the COSE content-type field semantically >> correctly, we should ask for another registry entry: > >> application/voucher-cbor TBD4 > > I don't understand what that wou

[Anima] Rob/Warren: Early allocation request for draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher (according to RFC7120)

2021-07-22 Thread tte
Dear Rob, Warren, As chairs of the ANIMA WG, we hereby request your AD approval for early allocation of code points from IANA according to RFC7120 for draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher. This is similar to the early registration request we did for what is now RFC8366 (voucher), where we reques

Re: [Anima] Argh?!: Re: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Toerless Eckert
Overthinking is a result of underspecification in the COSE RFC/bis-draft. I simply would like for the constrained voucher document to make a statement about the use of the COSE content type field. I have no strong opinions by now as to what it should say, but i would like our RFCs not to be unders

[Anima] Steffen/Michael/*: Slot for draft-ietf-anima-jws-voucher-00 ?! Re: Call for agenda items ANIMA @ IETF 111, online

2021-07-22 Thread t...@cs.fau.de
Steffen, Michael: Thursday for BRSKI-AE is fine. I will assume the split-out JWS voucher draft (Michael wants to publish it as draft-ietf-anima-jws-voucher-00) should then also be discussed. Right now i will account that as one slot. But feel free to suggest different speaker/slides for both dr

Re: [Anima] Argh?!: Re: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Carsten Bormann
> Overthinking is a result of underspecification in the COSE RFC/bis-draft. This is not underspecification; this is leaving decisions to the protocol using COSE. I am trying to get you to make those decisions. > Constrained vouchers (application-type/voucher-cose+cbor, TBD3) SHOULD NOT > use

[Anima] Slot/Update for draft-ietf-anima-voucher-delegation ?

2021-07-22 Thread Toerless Eckert
Dear draft-ietf-anima-voucher-delegation authors, I have not seen a slot request for subject draft. I will list it for the time being as to be reported during Chair slides, but you are more than welcome to request a slot. Cheers Toerless ___ Anima

Re: [Anima] Argh?!: Re: draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher COSE confusion

2021-07-22 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 03:15:09AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > Overthinking is a result of underspecification in the COSE RFC/bis-draft. > > This is not underspecification; this is leaving decisions to the protocol > using COSE. Underexplained how/why to make specific decisions based on un

Re: [Anima] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC8366 (6646)

2021-07-22 Thread Michael Richardson
RFC Errata System wrote: > -- > Type: Technical Reported by: Aman Mangal > Section: 5.2 > Original Text > - >{ "ietf-voucher:voucher": { "created-on": "2016-10-07T19:31:42Z", > "expires-on": "2016-10-21T19:31:42Z",

Re: [Anima] Call for agenda items ANIMA @ IETF 111, online

2021-07-22 Thread Dangjuanna
Hi Brian and All, I have an interest on draft-ietf-anima-asa-guidelines. Would you like to pay attention to draft-dang-anima-network-service-auto-deployment-00? To achieve the objective of network service auto-deployment, the autonomic networks ecosystem must design a new ASAs and corresponding

Re: [Anima] New Version Notification for draft-dang-anima-network-service-auto-deployment-00.txt

2021-07-22 Thread Dangjuanna
Hi Micheal, >Probably, just don't be so specific about the values. >I think that "object-value" can be any amount of CDDL that want to write. >You could use a map for "service-identification" >Since it's all encoded in CBOR, you can't have a 3-bit value, only a 1-byte >value. A New GRASP Objecti

[Anima] IETF111 ANIMA Agenda uploaded - NEED SLIDES

2021-07-22 Thread t...@cs.fau.de
Dear ANIMA WG I uploaded the tentative agenda for ANIMA @ IETF111 for Mon and Thu: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/materials/agenda-111-anima-01.txt I assigned slots for all the requests i received. If you submitted a request, PLEASE CHECK IF YOU ARE ON THE AGENDA. If not, please compl

Re: [Anima] IETF111 ANIMA Agenda uploaded - NEED SLIDES

2021-07-22 Thread Liyizhou
Hi Toerless, Thank you for posting the agenda. For Monday session, the time allocation should start from 21:30? The current time slot looks like starting from 22:30 UTC. Rgds, Yizhou -Original Message- From: Anima [mailto:anima-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of t...@cs.fau.de Sent: Frid

Re: [Anima] Steffen/Michael/*: Slot for draft-ietf-anima-jws-voucher-00 ?! Re: Call for agenda items ANIMA @ IETF 111, online

2021-07-22 Thread Fries, Steffen
Hi Toerless, Just to clarify the relations of the drafts, draft-ietf-anima-jws-voucher-00 and draft-ietf-anima-brski-async-enroll-03 are two independent drafts. BRSKI-AE utilizes the JWS-voucher and normatively refers to it. The split I was referring to relates to the two use cases in BRSKI-AE,