Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-27 Thread Rene Herman
On 27-11-07 16:58, Mark Constable wrote: > Thank you very much, probably took longer than the program itself :) Well, I must say, the amplitude <-> dBFS thing took me some thinking slash googling but yes, otherwise it's tiny. > FWIW... > > http://proaudio.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/sine/ > htt

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-27 Thread Mark Constable
On 2007-11-28 01:55 am, Rene Herman wrote: > > How about a copyright, license, contact and version info, > > and a bit of a readme in the header comments ? > > Heh, public domain. Given that its expression is dictated by mathematics on > the one hand and the S16_LE format on the other, I'd have di

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-27 Thread Rene Herman
On 27-11-07 15:55, Rene Herman wrote: > #define FREQ_MIN 20 My headphones (Sennheiser HD-590) advertise 12 Hz and the setup I have hear actually seems to confirm that. Feel free ofcourse to drop this lower bound to 10 Hz or so... Rene. -

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-27 Thread Rene Herman
On 27-11-07 03:43, Mark Constable wrote: How about a copyright, license, contact and version info, and a bit of a readme in the header comments ? Heh, public domain. Given that its expression is dictated by mathematics on the one hand and the S16_LE format on the other, I'd have difficulty fin

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Bill Unruh
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Mark Constable wrote: > On 2007-11-27 01:19 pm, Bill Unruh wrote: >>> A point is that these kind of "hearing tests" are almost >>> useless in absolute terms but are indeed meaningful when >>> tested and accumulated results are compared with for any >>> particular individual. T

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Mark Constable
On 2007-11-27 01:19 pm, Bill Unruh wrote: > > A point is that these kind of "hearing tests" are almost > > useless in absolute terms but are indeed meaningful when > > tested and accumulated results are compared with for any > > particular individual. The consistent mean is to set up > > the listen

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Bill Unruh
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Mark Constable wrote: > On 2007-11-27 12:22 pm, Rene Herman wrote: >> Mmm, and now that I look at it again: >> ampl = 32767.0 / pow(10, -dbfs / 20); >> is the same as: >> ampl = 32767 * pow(10, dbfs / 20); >> which looks somewhat nicer. > > How about a copyright,

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Bill Unruh
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Rene Herman wrote: > On 26-11-07 21:25, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: > >> Rene Herman wrote: > >> > On 25-11-07 04:18, Mark Constable wrote: >> > >> > > There are a few online hearing test sites around, here >> > > is one with 16/44.1 wavs. I can't hear 12kHz-0dB.wav :-(

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Mark Constable
On 2007-11-27 12:22 pm, Rene Herman wrote: > Mmm, and now that I look at it again: > ampl = 32767.0 / pow(10, -dbfs / 20); > is the same as: > ampl = 32767 * pow(10, dbfs / 20); > which looks somewhat nicer. How about a copyright, license, contact and version info, and a bit of a re

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Rene Herman
On 27-11-07 02:48, Rene Herman wrote: > Yes, well, I was feeling manly... > > But the main utility should, admittedly, mostly be the source. Tiny and > intended to be sort of instructive in the dBFS -> Amplitude step and such. Mmm, and now that I look at it again: ampl = 32767.0 / pow(

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:48:20 +0100 Rene Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 27-11-07 02:41, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:26:48 +0100 > > Rene Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [snip] > >> Wrote a small sine generator during this test by the way -- attached just

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Rene Herman
On 27-11-07 02:41, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:26:48 +0100 > Rene Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] >> Wrote a small sine generator during this test by the way -- attached just in >> case anyone is interested. Writes S16_LE to stdout, so intended to be used >> as

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Rene Herman
On 27-11-07 02:26, Rene Herman wrote: Wrote a small sine generator during this test by the way -- attached just in case anyone is interested. Writes S16_LE to stdout, so intended to be used as: $ sine -f -d | aplay -f cd -r for setting a different rate than 44100: $ sine -f -d -r | ap

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:26:48 +0100 Rene Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > Wrote a small sine generator during this test by the way -- attached just in > case anyone is interested. Writes S16_LE to stdout, so intended to be used as: > > $ sine -f -d | aplay -f cd > > -r for setting a

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Rene Herman
On 26-11-07 21:25, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: Rene Herman wrote: On 25-11-07 04:18, Mark Constable wrote: There are a few online hearing test sites around, here is one with 16/44.1 wavs. I can't hear 12kHz-0dB.wav :-( http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/dB/loudness.html Word of warning --

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Bill Unruh
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: > Rene Herman wrote: >> On 25-11-07 04:18, Mark Constable wrote: >> >>> There are a few online hearing test sites around, here >>> is one with 16/44.1 wavs. I can't hear 12kHz-0dB.wav :-( >>> >>> http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/dB/loudness.html

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Sergei Steshenko
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:25:33 + James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rene Herman wrote: > > On 25-11-07 04:18, Mark Constable wrote: > > > >> There are a few online hearing test sites around, here > >> is one with 16/44.1 wavs. I can't hear 12kHz-0dB.wav :-( > >> > >> http://www

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Rene Herman wrote: > On 25-11-07 04:18, Mark Constable wrote: > >> There are a few online hearing test sites around, here >> is one with 16/44.1 wavs. I can't hear 12kHz-0dB.wav :-( >> >> http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/dB/loudness.html > > Word of warning -- the outcome here will significantl

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-26 Thread Rene Herman
On 26-11-07 03:35, Bill Unruh wrote: >> [ the loudness war ] >> Clipping nor analogue distortion by the way is the problem. As said, >> it's the range compression to _avoid_ the clipping that they have to >> do when they master at these insane averages -- when you then later >> play them back

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-25 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007, Rene Herman wrote: > On 25-11-07 22:10, Bill Unruh wrote: > > [ the loudness war ] > >> And your senator is supposed to do what? Pass a law saying that clipping >> is >> illegal? Maybe we can pass another that states that distortion is illegal, >> and get rid of all those

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-25 Thread Rene Herman
On 25-11-07 22:10, Bill Unruh wrote: [ the loudness war ] > And your senator is supposed to do what? Pass a law saying that clipping is > illegal? Maybe we can pass another that states that distortion is illegal, > and get rid of all those fuzz boxes on electric guitars. > And throw anyone in jai

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-25 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007, Rene Herman wrote: > On 25-11-07 17:17, Vladimir Mosgalin wrote: > >> On 2007.11.25 at 15:22:59 +0100, Rene Herman wrote next: >> >>> That 16 kHz -60dB is just about my threshold with good headphones, good card >>> set to 0 dB and external amplication cranked up. -57 I hear a

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-25 Thread Rene Herman
On 25-11-07 17:17, Vladimir Mosgalin wrote: > On 2007.11.25 at 15:22:59 +0100, Rene Herman wrote next: > >> That 16 kHz -60dB is just about my threshold with good headphones, good card >> set to 0 dB and external amplication cranked up. -57 I hear always, at -60 >> it's a little flaky. At thos

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-25 Thread Vladimir Mosgalin
Hi Rene Herman! On 2007.11.25 at 15:22:59 +0100, Rene Herman wrote next: > That 16 kHz -60dB is just about my threshold with good headphones, good card > set to 0 dB and external amplication cranked up. -57 I hear always, at -60 > it's a little flaky. At those levels, 12-0dB actively hurts...

Re: [Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-25 Thread Rene Herman
On 25-11-07 04:18, Mark Constable wrote: > There are a few online hearing test sites around, here > is one with 16/44.1 wavs. I can't hear 12kHz-0dB.wav :-( > > http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/dB/loudness.html Word of warning -- the outcome here will significantly vary with the used soundcar

[Alsa-user] Bitperfect Ears

2007-11-24 Thread Mark Constable
Was Re: [Alsa-user] "best" card for "bitperfect" SPDIF I/O?with?external clock sync ? On 2007-11-25 12:34 pm, Bill Unruh wrote: > > PS a bit of OT: I'm 24, and I barely hear 18khz (in headphones), unless > > it's VERY loud - I can hear only up to 17500-17800 clearly at average > > volume level. I