> On 12/24/2024 9:56 PM CST jim stephens via cctalk
> wrote:
> The main quibble I have with current Linux is the systemd
Stop by and visit us over on FreeBSD sometime, we abhor systemd :-)
mcl
> Next week there will be 50 of them o. Ebay for this price.
(looks around the room)
Make that 52.
mcl
OK kids, let's save these things from the scrapyard! :-)
mcl
Feel free not to buy anything from him, then, but please leave
the list out of it.
mcl
> Ed's dead baby. Ed's dead.
Dave?
Dave's not here, man.
mcl
> Any ideas on how to become a billionaire?
The joke doesn't work as well this way, but the old Texas joke
was "how do you become a Texas oil millionaire? Start by being
a Texas oil billionaire."
mcl
I am absolutely delighted to be wrong in this case.
mcl
> I dare to bet it's the last one. Anywhere.
Well. Now that my *rage* has settled down a bit ...
... a least the "expected amount" on these items will probably mean
they won't go to scrap.
The machines are probably going to go for less than a million. There
are _thousands_ of people in this c
> one is an LGP-30. I can't tell how complete it is, but it doesn't look too
> beat up.
I dare to bet it's the last one. Anywhere.
mcl
> I miss the HP Journal (started publication in 1949).
"raise".
I have held in my hands the BSTJ issue with "the" Shannon Paper.
I hope Rice University still has its copy.
Per wikipedia:
"In 1948, the promised memorandum appeared as "A Mathematical Theory of
Communication", an article in two
> If you think I've libeled you, go right ahead.
IMHO it's time the two of you take this mini-discussion offline.
mcl
> On 06/27/2024 9:36 AM CDT Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
> To date, I have sold nothing. I once went back to the list that
> suggested I use ebay to report my failure only to be greeted with,
> "Well, what did you expect. You are not an established seller."
I also have a whole pile of stuff that n
> Sorry for the noise, I am trying to be a tester but I shot
> myself in the foot.
We've all been there.
mcl
> were just DEC employees that caught somebody's eye when they were
> planning the shots.
"Planning" may assume facts not in evidence :-)
Some photographers wandered around my employer of the time, Recognition
Equipment. (Like my Canadian girlfriend, you haven't heard of it.)
I was near enough t
> On 02/27/2024 12:29 PM CST paul.kimpel--- via cctalk
> wrote:
> Bitsavers has a collection of G-15 manuals.
Rob Kolstad (formerly of BSDI) and I sat down last August to categorize
his online scans. AFAICT he has the largest collection. (Of course
I forgot to bring my copy of the technical ma
> On 02/27/2024 9:05 AM CST Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
>
> I think the Bendix G-15 had cassettes for the 5-level tape
> they used.
I can confirm this from personal experience.
mcl
> On 01/30/2024 9:35 PM CST Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:
> I have a couple of PA-RISC based HP/Agilent V743/64 (E1497A) and
> V743/100 (E1498A) single-slot, C-size VXI embedded computers.
OMFG I thought *my* co-design of a Sparc VMEbus board was rare/obscure.
mcl
> On 01/30/2024 5:48 PM CST Chris Hanson via cctalk
> wrote:
> VMEbus was widely used as a successor to MultiBus in the workstation market
Or, in the case of Mizar, Inc., their STDBus line of cards.
> The biggest uses of VMEbus though were in laboratory automation, process
> control, and rob
> I can not change "Version: CURRENT" to indicate the 13 release context.
Please let bugmeister@ know which of 13-* it needs to be.
mcl
I sincerely doubt I could afford a PDP-11/20 but I still have nostalgia for the
first machine I used at university. So I have to ask.
mcl
fwiw this is another area on the website (like some of the antique stuff in the
FAQ) that is only in the doc build because 20 years ago that was the only way
we could do it.
IMVHO this all ought to be in the wiki these days.
mcl
> On 08/28/2023 5:07 PM CDT Sellam Abraham via cctalk
> wrote:
> I think I've come up with a nice way to get that accomplished through good
> old market dynamics (i.e. voluntarily) with a subtle twist.
Well at some point in the next N years I need to sell off my S-100 stuff. If I
croak first
> Some 20 years ago, I led the Computer History Museum's restoration of an
> IBM 1620 Model 1 computer.
We all owe you thanks for this.
mcl
> (I'd normally sell one of mine for 6k working with Focal loaded up.
Man, I hadn't thought of Focal in years.
Never could beat that lunar lander someone wrote in it.
mcl
"not tested" and "mice have been inside of it".
sheesh ** 2.
mcl
> On 08/27/2023 3:30 PM CDT Sellam Abraham via cctalk
> wrote:
> found them a joy to work with. But then, I went into it with a positive
> attitude because, of
> course, it was my first vintage computer love.
By that time I was well-experienced with my high school machine (a Bendix G-15,
whic
> I guess not many have survived but I want to ask if someone/some place has
> software (papertapes, ...) for the Texas Instruments 960 minicomputers.
If any survive, please be sure to keep me at least ten feet away from them :-)
The 960B is the only computer I ever walked away from and said "I
> Kees Stravers, owner of the website about the Evoluon, reports that they were
> scrapped when the museum closed in 1989.
boo.
mcl
> there aren't a lot of places to encounter massive PMOS shift registers.
I someone had told me around 1975 that these would become Valuable Collectibles
I would have laughed my ass off.
Maybe I should get around to doing something with those ceramic 1702s.
Probably equally "collectible" now.
I wonder if those date to the first time I visited, where the PDP-11s
were still installed :-)
Are there still T-shirts available? Mine from that trip is trash :-)
mcl
> On 04/17/2023 9:40 PM GMT Sellam Abraham via cctalk
> wrote:
> 3am? If that was happening around here then the shotgun would get
> involved. Must be mating season.
The next-to-last time I was in Canada, they let me sleep in all the way to 5am.
Also note that they were *right* outside the
> On 04/13/2023 12:03 PM CDT Qwertiox Game wrote:
> P.S. What is the condition for receiving @freebsd.org (http://freebsd.org)
> email
It is better explained in:
https://wiki.freebsd.org/BecomingACommitter#What_general_processes_must_be_followed_to_gain_access.3F
mcl
> On 03/27/2023 5:38 PM GMT rescue via cctalk wrote:
> have a number of 2764, 27256, have some 27128 I think too
Myself as well, probably down to 1702s. Right now with some current money
trouble they are looking like assets :-/
mcl
My memory is a little bit vague because the change happened more than
10 minutes ago :-)
What I remember was that a big refactoring of the pages was done at
the same time there was a rework of the code. However, the refactoring
was never finished.
We need someone(s) who are familiar with the sta
Closing this Friday the 15th (sorry for noticing this late). At the
University of Texas in downtown Austin.
I have no association with the University, etc.
https://swicoauctions.com/online/26/item/110345
https://swicoauctions.com/online/26/item/110400
https://swicoauctions.com/online/26/it
How fortunate that I'm halfway across the continent :-)
mcl
Anyone objecting to this, be careful, I might ship a pile of such
things to you from the depths of the closets :-)
mcl
On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 04:22:27PM -0400, Dave McGuire via cctalk wrote:
> I would posit that he does not have a museum; he has a collection
> and a wish. When and if that wish pans out, and I hope it does,
> then he will have a museum. But not before.
+1. That's a positive way to look at it.
> fwiw, a good place to ask questions is #freebsd-wiki on freenode.
s/freenode/libera.chat/ . Sorry for the brain glitch.
mcl
IMHO it's simply a question of what would we gain vs. the large amount of
effort.
fwiw, a good place to ask questions is #freebsd-wiki on freenode.
mcl
On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 05:25:26PM -0500, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk wrote:
> Yours will be a lot cheaper to run.
Custom ECL chips?
I think I can go with "relatively cheaper".
Make sure you have a bazillion BTU of air conditioning ...
(Yes, I have had experience with ECL, albeit 1970s low-scal
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 10:42:29AM -0500, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
> But have you considered, maybe it's an NFT of a photo of a
> Datapoint. That should make it worth 10 x $48,000 at least.
Thanks. I needed a laugh today.
mcl
On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 08:20:44PM -0700, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
> Wifey has phone numbers and knows about several of these lists.
;-)
What a complete fiasco. How sad.
mcl
Is this the same as:
https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256947
?
mcl
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 11:46:13PM -0700, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote:
> Is there a G-15 emulator?
I wrote a simulator yers ago. I don't think it is online ATM,
I will have to check.
Rob Kolstad is apparently also working on one. We keep meaning to
cross-check each others' work but then
On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 01:58:01PM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote:
> Sometimes it's a real interesting exercise to figure out where a
> file on your runtime system comes from in the source world.
A tangential problem I trip over is "what is on this SD card?"
It generally takes me 5-10 minutes to remembe
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 05:25:03AM +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> They are enthusiastic FreeBSD users and potential future committers,
> and should be treated as such!
The same goes for non-committers and phabricator, IMHO.
mcl
On Tue, May 04, 2021 at 10:07:28PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctech wrote:
> "Power for the basic computer consists of one 250 kva, 400 Hz motor
> generator set. The motor-generator set has the capability of providing
> power for the CPU, MCS, I/O and the MCU. The optional memory requires
> the addit
On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 08:15:50PM -0800, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote:
> I picked this up a number of years ago for reasons that entirely
> escape me.
Those are the best reasons!!!1
:-)
mcl
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 12:00:05PM -0700, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
> I noticed someone named Richard Thompson just donated. If you are that
> person, used to live in the Jemez mountains and hacked on Rainbow stuff
> back in the day, please contact me...
Or, if you are the Richard Thompson, gu
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 09:14:07AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> FWIW: Mips likely can play the 'not very popular tier 2 card trending
> towards tier 3' card, at least for 13 since (a) 13.0 isn't out yet and
> (b) the project doesn't produce mips binaries.
(Before I go too far, I am presuming the ab
On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 09:14:07AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> FWIW: Mips likely can play the 'not very popular tier 2 card trending
> towards tier 3' card, at least for 13 since (a) 13.0 isn't out yet and
> (b) the project doesn't produce mips binaries.
(Before I go too far, I am presuming the ab
One thing I think that has been missed in this discussion is that this
is hardly a piece of obscure code in a device driver that few people
have; instead, it's a piece of code that anyone who uses FreeBSD relies
on. My take on it would be that perhas such bits of code should be more
closely examin
One thing I think that has been missed in this discussion is that this
is hardly a piece of obscure code in a device driver that few people
have; instead, it's a piece of code that anyone who uses FreeBSD relies
on. My take on it would be that perhas such bits of code should be more
closely examin
On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 07:10:14PM -0800, Christopher Zach wrote:
> I've had 30+ years to acquire this "stuff". :-)
I turned 65 last year ...
mcl
On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 05:57:27PM -0500, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> Probably a lot more.
"Probably" ???
Sheesh. I thought *I* had too many projects.
mcl
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 02:20:40PM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote:
> This is all likely academic as I just saw John Baldwin's email
> that stated i386 support is being dropped in FreeBSD-current.
s/dropped/downgraded/
The only difference seems to be that security upgrades that _only_
affect i386 will n
FYI
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On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 07:45:08PM +0900, Yasuhiro Kimura wrote:
> By the way, when -CURRENT was bumped from 12 to 13, there were some
> ports that failed to be built on 13-CURRENT simply because they don't
> expect there is version 13.x of FreeBSD. And probably such ports fails
> to be built on 14
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 07:55:52PM -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> Yes, I suppose that somebody of sufficient skill COULD write
> accounting software with it, . . .
> But why?
When I was living outside Dallas around 1988 or so, I knew a woman who
had a job-for-life with an insurance company
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 06:42:34PM -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> APL was terse.
That's a nice way of saying "It was a write-only language".
Even back when my brain still worked 100% I could only remember what
the code I had just written actually _did_ for 24-48 hours. After
that it was e
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 11:24:22AM +, tech-lists wrote:
> >Moreover mergemaster is still officially documented and recommend as
> >only right method in FreeBSD handbook. See
> >https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/makeworld.html.
> >World is moving, we may have new tools but each deprecation sh
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 08:52:51AM +, Ed Groenenberg via cctalk wrote:
> It can be debated of the price for the Bendix is high or not, but it
> is truly a nice and rare machine. And by the looks of it, it seems to
> be complete too.
This was the machine I learned to program on. (What was then
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 09:54:23AM -0600, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
> The G-15 was obsolete within a year after it was introduced, but it
stayed in production, especially in highway departments, for many years
afterwards.
mcl
Folks, please change the Subject: line here. This has now become a
thread of only tangiental interest to a typical FreeBSD developer
(in this case, typified by me :-) )
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On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 09:43:50AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote:
> Just to be explicit, we do not care about building amd64 with 4.2.1 at this
> point on 12.x.
AFAIK the only use case for gcc4.2.1 is powerpc* < 13. (I check new
ports on powerpc64 vs. gcc4.2.1. I will be glad to see the end of it.)
ot; here, please let me know (I do not).
mcl
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 01:45:01AM +, Mark Linimon wrote:
> Author: linimon
> Date: Wed Dec 16 01:45:01 2020
> New Revision: 558197
> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/ports/558197
>
> Log:
> Defuse a ticking time-bom
FYI
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 09:59:15PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> We hope to have it finished in time for 13.0.
I also feel that it should be more a "requirement".
I don't see the rush in getting 13.0 out the door. There is a lot to
get working (especially in ports-land).
mcl
_
I think I can speak for a lot of people here on the list that I am sorry
to hear this news. I really don't have the words, other than that.
mcl
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 04:36:05PM +0100, Jessica Clarke wrote:
> Given GCC 10 is the latest GCC release so this is already a bit
> outdated (though perhaps GCC 9 is still the recommended version for
> FreeBSD now?)
In possibly unrelated news, there are still about 25 ports which do
not build on G
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 04:36:05PM +0100, Jessica Clarke wrote:
> Given GCC 10 is the latest GCC release so this is already a bit
> outdated (though perhaps GCC 9 is still the recommended version for
> FreeBSD now?)
In possibly unrelated news, there are still about 25 ports which do
not build on G
FYI
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Subject: svn commit: r550350 - head/sysutils/accounts-qml-module
Author: linimon
FYI
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Subject: svn commit: r550347 - head/security/nss
Author: linimon
Date: Sun Sep 27 20
FYI
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Subject: svn commit: r549852 - head/x11/xfce4-goodies
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Date: Wed Sep
FYI
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Subject: svn commit: r549845 - head/net-im/libaccounts-glib
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FYI
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FYI.
Also IMHO the REASON message ought to be "Does not compile on ${ARCH}",
but that's just my preference.
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On Sun, Sep 06, 2020 at 03:05:49PM -0400, Yoshihiro Ota wrote:
> Do you own pkg sites?
Only portmgr@ does that. So this matter can only be resolved by a
discussion between portmgr@ and clusteradm@.
mcl
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On Fri, Sep 04, 2020 at 02:15:04PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
> and I also anticipate it will cause problems with MFCs
And existing PRs and DRs.
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On Fri, Sep 04, 2020 at 02:15:04PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
> and I also anticipate it will cause problems with MFCs
And existing PRs and DRs.
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On Thu, Sep 03, 2020 at 11:40:17AM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> To the contrary 5 years ago the project on @developers basically
> ran off one of the committers over the very idea of using git
> for the project. It was shortly after I returned, so I find it
> very ironic that now its all "git
On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 08:01:17AM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
> A short intro on git for svn users:
> https://hackmd.io/ML5TSl8mQ5-27B5eqDf7YA?view
For people like me that will not click on random URLs ...
... just feed "svn to git cheat-sheet" to your favorite search engine.
Disclaimer: my initi
On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 08:30:28AM +, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> NetBSD plans to switch from cvs to Mercurial.
So ... from square wheels, to triangular ones???
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I forgot to include the following statistic:
repojail% grep duplicate_symbol regresslogs.out.wanted | wc -l
613
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The latest build of amd64-CURRENT ports has just completed:
http://beefy18.nyi.freebsd.org/build.html?mastername=head-amd64-default&build=p546132_s364744
The number of build failures is now 740. This is an slight drop from
the initial post-clang11 commit of 830. This is due to diligent work
Please tell me someone is going to save this stuff so I don't have to annoy any
of my Canadian friends :-)
mcl
On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 11:56:43AM +0200, Willem Jan Withagen wrote:
> A bit of a pain, since pkg does not do it
because ...
> you need to manually fetch the tar from Broadcom first.
Finally:
> [pkg] also does not tell you why
Just ask it:
portsjail% cd sysutils/storcli
portsjail% make -V
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:44:26PM -0400, Diane Bruce via cctalk wrote:
> mutt!
+1
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 05:14:11PM +, Mark Linimon via cctech wrote:
> These were a higher-spec version of ... some really common tube which I
> no longer remember.
And which was mentioned in the original post -- oops!
mcl
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 07:58:14AM -0700, Guy N. via cctech wrote:
> the part number (5965 or 5963)
Ah, good ol' 5965s.
These were a higher-spec version of ... some really common tube which I
no longer remember. The Bendix G-15 was wholly based on them. I probably
have one or two around the hou
On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 06:21:20AM +, Warner Losh wrote:
> Document all the sysctl values for the nda devices.
Thank you.
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> Document all the sysctl values for the nda devices.
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On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 07:50:18PM -0400, Bill Gunshannon via cctech wrote:
> Which is even funnier when you realize that the PL/M compiler
> was written in Fortran.
When all you have is a hammer ...
mcl
Side note that has been lost to history.
>From 1987-1990 I worked at Mizar Digital Systems, which built STD bus
boards and VMEbus boards. Its new president who came in in 1988 I think,
Joe Rammunni, decided that the STD bus was a dying technology, and looked
into NuBus. As I understood at the ti
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