On 24 Nov 2008, at 19:33, Roger Hicks wrote:
I transfer a prop from ehird to Warrigal (a minor) for the use of
profanity.
I am two years younger than Warrigal.
On 24 Nov 2008, at 23:11, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
I attempt to transfer -$1,000,000 to [EMAIL PROTECTED]; the
recipient for this transaction is ehird, who forgot to be specific
about "amount."
BobTHJ can only create pennies, not destroy them.
On 25 Nov 2008, at 00:43, 0x44 wrote:
I RBOA deposit one chao.
I PBA deposit one chao.
Wooble's fake currencies are not eligible for either bank.
On 25 Nov 2008, at 05:33, Ed Murphy wrote:
How do you know they're fake? They could be defined by a private
contract. (They're definitely not eligible, though.)
He has said (##nomic) that it was a private pledge that was then
destroyed.
On 25 Nov 2008, at 17:54, Kerim Aydin wrote:
Good plan, follow up every criminal cfj with another CFJ against
the caller, then of course another against *that* caller.
You must live in a weird alternate universe where this happened all the
time in the past.
On 25 Nov 2008, at 19:26, Elliott Hird wrote:
I publicly pledge that, where the winning bidder is defined as the
Vote Market party who, at the end of 5 days after this pledge was
made:
I terminate that pledge.
I publicly pledge that, where the winning bidder is defined as the
Vote Market
On 25 Nov 2008, at 19:37, Kerim Aydin wrote:
So, if a crime is low priority enough that you can't find two
supporters,
why clog the courts with a CFJ process?
Yay the rules are irrelevant!! Let's use telepathy to determine
everyone's
intentions? Wait, we have that, it's called equity...
On 25 Nov 2008, at 19:54, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
This message serves to resolve the Agoran Decision to choose the
holder of the Herald office.
The votes were:
For Sgeo: root, Sgeo, OscarMeyr
For ehird: Elysion
The option selected by Agora is Sgeo; e is installed as Herald.
CoE: this resolutio
On 25 Nov 2008, at 21:48, Taral wrote:
In order to escape the mousetrap, BobTHJ suffered material costs.
Therefore, the court intends to enter the following judgement:
In light of recent events I believe that a null judgment is appropriate.
On 25 Nov 2008, at 23:06, Sgeo wrote:
For your skill in scamming Agora to achieve a dictatorship, you have
both been awarded the Patent Title of Scamster.
courts says it don't work.
On 25 Nov 2008, at 23:09, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
Dang. What's the use of that limitation?
Disqualifying everyone but a partner in crime?
On 26 Nov 2008, at 12:12, Joshua Boehme wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:59:44 +
Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
CFJ: The PRS is a contest
Arguments:
neat, PRS isn't a contest; Notary is recordkeepor of
contestmasters so ratifying the Scorekeepor report didn't m
On 26 Nov 2008, at 04:46, Pavitra wrote:
On Tuesday 25 November 2008 01:27:59 pm Elliott Hird wrote:
time, unless the winner has transferred the VP to him.
Y'know, you B players really need to get used to the way we use
pronouns around here.
I started playing B much after Agora.
I d
On 26 Nov 2008, at 16:26, Jamie Dallaire wrote:
So, I was wrong in my assumption, then, that you could compile a
program written in essentially any language into some sort of
executable file that could be run anywhere?
llvm, java, etc...
Pick yer poison.
On 26 Nov 2008, at 16:30, Roger Hicks wrote:
I can in my preferred language of choice.
VB.Net, right? Does "everywhere" include "non-Windows systems"?
On 26 Nov 2008, at 17:05, Roger Hicks wrote:
I believe that Mono is the .NET library ported to unix based systems.
I could be wrong however.
Yes, but you can't use a Windows binary. And revealing source would
damage
the contest, if I understand it.
On 26 Nov 2008, at 20:55, Jamie Dallaire wrote:
Yep. Sorry what I said wasn't super clear. Don't construe that to
mean I think everyone here boycotts Windows. Probably some do, but
really I meant that it's unlikely to be EVERYONE's main working
environment. I only recently semi-weaned off x
On 26 Nov 2008, at 22:41, Michael Norrish wrote:
I've never used Spivak by choice. English has perfectly good
gender-neutral third person singular pronouns: "they", "them" etc.
(Nor are these some kind of PC invention of the 20th century; they
occur used in this way in Shakespeare, the Ki
On 26 Nov 2008, at 22:50, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
Duly updated. And thanks for the historical note.
I believe the next step is "Douglas".
On 27 Nov 2008, at 19:02, Alexander Smith wrote:
I know a large number of people who refuse to run Mono for
philosophical reasons (although I'm not one of them). More
to the point, there's no version of it available for Mac
OS X, as far as I know.
there is. However, I support Wooble's idea to
On 27 Nov 2008, at 22:19, Michael Norrish wrote:
Perhaps this is because it's not much of a name.
It was apparently assigned by a computer from their initials,
so that's not very surprising.
[[I change my nick to a9*&D(987([EMAIL PROTECTED](~``bz. My gender is !&%~F
vZ.]]
On 28 Nov 2008, at 15:06, Kerim Aydin wrote:
Back in CFJ 1346, several players made a comments such as "if the
appeals
court can be corrupted and deliver blatantly illegal judgements,
we're no
longer playing Agora or have faith that we can respect a body of
rules, and
we might as well quit
On 28 Nov 2008, at 15:20, Kerim Aydin wrote:
How can you have the audacity to even suggest with a straight face
that
a REMAND of a guilty that was wholly uncontested is appropriate?
it's not the best option but it is not inappropriate.
It's a scam. So what?
It's not an "interesting test",
On 28 Nov 2008, at 15:56, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
Next time I will go with my first inclination and sentence the
ninny to exile.
Next time I will appeal that.
On 28 Nov 2008, at 16:28, comex wrote:
Is registering partnerships as part of a scam *really* worse than all
other crimes ever committed under the criminal system (none of which
has gotten an EXILE afaik)?
Add the fact that you could have trivially violated the spirit of the
rule by rotating b
On 28 Nov 2008, at 16:44, Kerim Aydin wrote:
sniveling little rules-breaking shit
Go away until you stop making repulsive personal attacks on players,
please.
On 28 Nov 2008, at 19:06, comex wrote:
I call for judgement on the following statements, and request that, if
CotC Murphy obliges, they be assigned in linked fashion to Goethe
after a rotation (according to the CotC website, no judges are
currently standing):
* comex is a sniveling little rules
On 28 Nov 2008, at 19:31, comex wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Geoffrey Spear
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I intend, with 2 support, to appeal the judgement on sentencing in
CFJ
2273. CHOKEY is far too lenient.
Support.
I support and appeal it.
If comex gets EXILED, cantus cygne
On 28 Nov 2008, at 16:57, Alexander Smith wrote:
(ehird) There are no metarules, more or less; although it's best not
to scare off other people because the game is better as a result
To elaborate:
The rules are the only source for what's _right_ in nomic. The keyword
is that nomic is a GAME,
On 29 Nov 2008, at 20:05, Pavitra wrote:
informally request a PBA report sometime soonish
nomic.bob-space.com/agoralog.aspx
by bobthj
I pledged to allow him to publish a report on my behalf. He hasn't yet.
On 30 Nov 2008, at 15:04, Alexander Smith wrote:
Either Cheat or I Doubt It, depending on who you play with
or "Bullshit"
On 30 Nov 2008, at 16:41, Taral wrote:
AGAINST (scammable)
how?
On 30 Nov 2008, at 16:44, Ed Murphy wrote:
ais523 wrote:
ehird wrote:
I vote for myself because I am the Werewolf.
Well, either you're crazy, or you're correct.
I vote for ehird in the Werewolves contest.
ehird, Pavitra, and ais523 are voting for ehird. ehird is
lynched; e was indeed a we
On 30 Nov 2008, at 20:06, Pavitra wrote:
On Sunday 30 November 2008 01:40:59 pm Geoffrey Spear wrote:
I leave the Werewolves contract.
Me too.
Pavitra
nttpf
On 30 Nov 2008, at 21:37, Charles Schaefer wrote:
I register to be a player of Agora Nomic.
Hullo from this side of the pond.
P.S. Why do so many B players send HTML mail?
On 30 Nov 2008, at 22:15, Charles Schaefer wrote:
I might as well jump in head first. I also accept my nomination.
You get to do with a many-week backlog, plain incorrect info, and
inconsiderate messages.
Woo!
On 1 Dec 2008, at 00:24, Charles Schaefer wrote:
As for the inconsiderate messages
As in "ill-specified ones that work anyway but you have to figure out"
On 1 Dec 2008, at 00:49, Charles Schaefer wrote:
Oh, okay. No big deal.
Notary is not as easy as you think.
On 01/12/2008, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 17:23, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I intent, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal case against BobTHJ
>> for failing to assign prerogatives for December in a timely fashion
>> before the beginning of the month,
On 1 Dec 2008, at 04:38, Charles Schaefer wrote:
The Notary report appears up to date as of November 8th, and the
last three weeks of a-b looks managable.
There is some incorrectness in it, actually - in my brief stint as
Notary I noticed changes from days back not tracked and Wooble has
On 1 Dec 2008, at 03:17, comex wrote:
Anyway-- Goethe strongly implied that ehird and/or I am a "sniveling
little rules-breaking shit": this is extreme. I prefer to treat games
as games, but I will not ignore the comment. Though I would be
delighted to pretend the message was never sent if e w
On 1 Dec 2008, at 15:05, Alex Smith wrote:
I will make the my history log of the Notary's report available to
anyone elected as the new Notary, to help sort out the pledges which
were terminated by proposal and retroactively unterminated by a
further
proposal. Apart from that, I can't really
there is no way in hell the rates on your PBA site are right.
Seriously.
On 1 Dec 2008, at 15:26, Elliott Hird wrote:
there is no way in hell the rates on your PBA site are right.
Wait i was looking at the rboa
HEADDESK
On 1 Dec 2008, at 18:53, Ed Murphy wrote:
Create a rule titled "Extradition" with this text:
As soon as possible after the creation of this rule, ehird
(i.e. the player generally known by that nickname during
November 2008) SHALL join the Vote Market. Upon eir doing
so,
On 1 Dec 2008, at 19:33, Ed Murphy wrote:
So create what you think is a reasonable amount of profit, and if the
players agree, then they'll vote down my proposal.
profit = escaping from the VM
On 1 Dec 2008, at 23:25, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
I'll bite. What was CFJ 1290?
http://cfj.qoid.us/1290
BTW, I find GOETHE'S ORIGINAL REMARK rude, not comex's reaction.
On 2 Dec 2008, at 00:14, Kerim Aydin wrote:
I’ve not read/have deleted Agoran mail since Friday and am not
planning
to start reading in the near future, but someone let me know in a
private conversation that my last post is causing an ethical dilemma
for a player I greatly respect, which I did
On 2 Dec 2008, at 14:51, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
I object. I encourage harblcat, Siege, and Charles to vote for
OscarMeyr, who not only won't automatically prefer to demote them, but
will give them a chance of every being promoted, which is impossible
under Warrigal's proposed system.
"I depri
On 2 Dec 2008, at 12:12, Warrigal wrote:
Without objection, I intend to amend my Grand Poobah pledge by
replacing "promoting players higher in The List" with "promoting
players higher in The List to those lower in The List, and those to
players not in The List" and "demoting players lower in The
On 2 Dec 2008, at 17:30, comex wrote:
We really need a Notary. I'm tired of having to search through old
reports-- Agora's stint with a web-accessible Notary site was highly
productive.
I will provide it to the next Notary.
I could take on the office but I'd rather not.
I nominate comex f
On 2 Dec 2008, at 21:46, Ed Murphy wrote:
I nominate myself for Notary.
That wiki idea was suggested in comex only minutes ago.
If I may, though, offer a wiki that isn't awful to use and read?
(Note: subjectivity in the previous sentence is rampant.)
On 2 Dec 2008, at 22:03, Elliott Hird wrote:
That wiki idea was suggested in comex only minutes ago.
Err, in ##nomic by comex.
On 2 Dec 2008, at 22:36, Ed Murphy wrote:
What would you suggest? Text is text, after all.
Eh, just a nicer, cleaner, faster interface.
On 3 Dec 2008, at 21:28, comex wrote:
I post the following Buy Ticket:
Cost: 5VP
Action: Become a player of B; in your request to become a player, name
{comex} as the group of players responsible for your desire to join
the game.
Note: this will gain comex m60, which e will use for purposes su
On 3 Dec 2008, at 22:28, Ed Murphy wrote:
I think the list of parties here is up to date:
http://agora-notary.wikidot.com/the-werewolves-of-nomic-crossing
though the text does not yet reflect changes made in November.
http://agora-notary.wikidot.com/vote-market
CoE: I am not a party to the
On 3 Dec 2008, at 23:39, Taral wrote:
I support. harblcat? Murphy?
I am willing to offer bribes to these two.
On 04/12/2008, Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 6007 O 1 1.5 SgeoThanks Murphy
>>
>> AGAINST
>
> You honestly don't believe that Murphy is a Heroic Notary?
>
Worth a patent title?
On 04/12/2008, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:52, Jamie Dallaire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Figured some of you might be interested to know about the current
>> political
>> situation here in Canada, which is giving rise to a good deal of debate
>> about con
On 04/12/2008, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ehird wrote:
>
>> On 3 Dec 2008, at 22:28, Ed Murphy wrote:
>>
>>> I think the list of parties here is up to date:
>>> http://agora-notary.wikidot.com/the-werewolves-of-nomic-crossing
>>> though the text does not yet reflect changes made in No
On 4 Dec 2008, at 02:09, Ed Murphy wrote:
You may have caused VPs to cease to be an asset (because they no
longer
existed solely due to one document defining them), and I'm not sure
what
that would do to the regulation of VP-related actions (in either
direction). Let a judge sort it out, I
On 4 Dec 2008, at 21:01, Sgeo wrote:
But then Warrigal has no means of fixing it..
Um, amending it?
On 4 Dec 2008, at 23:01, Roger Hicks wrote:
BobTHJ
The only thing this post is missing is a reference to "Barry Soetero".
On 5 Dec 2008, at 00:18, Ed Murphy wrote:
* Does Fookiemyartug still exist?
As a contract, afaik, yes. partnership, no.
* Does the P2P Partnership still exist?
¯\(°_o)/¯ prolly the same as Fookiemyartug.
* Was Levi removed from the AFO's parties?
Maybe.
On 06/12/2008, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ehird wrote:
>
>> I object to the termination of Warrigal's Grand Poobah pledge.
>
> There are two reasonable referents (The List, and the older one that
> explicitly mentions October), so I don't think this objection is
> specific enough to be
On 7 Dec 2008, at 05:16, comex wrote:
For every Rest currently owned by a person, create two more rests in
eir possession.
I hate my life. :P
On 7 Dec 2008, at 18:12, Elliott Hird wrote:
PARADOX
By which I mean UNDECIDABLE
On 7 Dec 2008, at 19:01, Zefram wrote:
UNDETERMINED seems eminently appropriate.
Yay, unknown gamestate.
On 7 Dec 2008, at 18:53, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
* Chuck Carroll's title of Hero is upgraded to Grand Hero of Agora
Nomic, for [[what did he do?]].
Wrote the initial ruleset.
* Douglas Hofstadter's title of Hero is upgraded to Grand Hero of
Agora Nomic, for [[what did he do?]].
iirc, Nom
On 7 Dec 2008, at 21:56, Elliott Hird wrote:
I transfer a coin to this judgment.
Not that I can do that, of course.
On 7 Dec 2008, at 23:27, Kerim Aydin wrote:
Y'know, it's not confusing at all if you use "" like e did.
I used "" _without the quotes_, i.e. .
On 8 Dec 2008, at 02:09, Ed Murphy wrote:
Sun 16 Nov 00:52:20 Unnamed pledge created by ehird
I pledge not to redeem USD Vouchers specifying warrigal.
Having received no objection, I terminate this contract.
This pledge did not exist. It did not identify itself as
public.
On 8 Dec 2008, at 05:24, Roger Hicks wrote:
Fails. The PBA restricts coin ownership to members.
Yes, I'm well aware, having written that clause.
On 8 Dec 2008, at 16:10, comex wrote:
I intend, W2S, to initiate a criminal case against ehird, accusing em
of violating Rule 2215 by misleading others as to the effectiveness of
eir purported transfer of a coin to a judgement.
I replied to a-d saying that I know it doesn't work straight afte
On 9 Dec 2008, at 05:06, Sgeo wrote:
Ninja Nomic, a nomic located on Facebook, has been inactive for
quite some time.
http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?ref=sb#/group.php?gid=7432501077
Um, okay.
On 9 Dec 2008, at 18:45, Ed Murphy wrote:
Are you planning to invite them here?
23. Chunk Norris gets a vote on every proposal of note.
He always votes "Yes" when a new rule is mising an "s".
Otherwise the vote is "No" from Chuck Norris.
Please no.
On 9 Dec 2008, at 20:26, Ed Murphy wrote:
Coming from the co-author of Bayes, this is purest hilarity.
To be fair, I could be commenting on the typo that _Chunk_ Norris
votes only yes, and Chuck Norris only no.
On 9 Dec 2008, at 21:43, Sgeo wrote:
That is a bit disturbing.
"Allowed"? So the admin can ignore changes he doesn't like? I see.
On 9 Dec 2008, at 22:22, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
There's no true gamestate, so why should the recordkeepors even care
what the rules say? As long as the community agrees to go along with
what their reports say, do we even need rules to be playing nomic?
/rolleyes
On 9 Dec 2008, at 23:35, Sgeo wrote:
#P agora-discussion@agoranomic.org
#S 6
#D 3
#R 1
#L 1
#C This is a test, I promise.
#T This is a test, I promise.
Next time to the proper dice forum.
On 10 Dec 2008, at 04:46, Warrigal wrote:
I zoop a criminal case against the PerlNomic Partnership for violating
Rule 2215 by announcing that I am a party to it in the quoted message.
You ARE a party to it.
On 10 Dec 2008, at 13:19, Joshua Boehme wrote:
I submit the following proposal.
You know, the appeals processes aren't done.
I'll return it if the scam is judged to have worked myself,
and if it didn't, it was never repealed.
On 10 Dec 2008, at 14:00, Warrigal wrote:
A player plays Bolero by making an announcement (other than an
announcement of eir deregistration)."
This is where it fails.
Well, it also fails in that contracts are explicitly restricted
in Agora. But if it was a real game, that'd be where it fails.
On 10 Dec 2008, at 14:03, comex wrote:
I agree to the following pledge:
{
This is a pledge, and a public contract, called "Looping". Nobody can
join this contract. comex CAN amend, terminate, or leave this
contract by announcement. The Notary CAN terminate this contract by
announcement. To l
On 10 Dec 2008, at 14:10, comex wrote:
What happened to the old one?
Power Controls Mutability? The scam? Vote invalidation?
C'mon...
On 10 Dec 2008, at 14:18, Warrigal wrote:
"playing Bolero therefore indicates that one agrees to this contract."
No dice.
On 10 Dec 2008, at 14:51, Joshua Boehme wrote:
Wow, the bank rates are almost rational...
Wowzers. :P
On 10 Dec 2008, at 17:31, Roger Hicks wrote:
I (if possible) pre-emptively support any judgment of REMAND or
REASSIGN.
nttpf
On 10 Dec 2008, at 19:02, Ed Murphy wrote:
IMO, becoming an active player of PerlNomic constitutes sufficiently
"explicit, willful consent" to satisfy R101(iii), whereas merely
making
an announcement does not. Similarly for the others. (I would cite
CFJ
1290, but the standard at that time
If trying to make a nomic into a protectorateship, would the
following be sufficient, despite its obfuscation?
{{NOMIC NAME recognizes a relationship with Agora where it is
Protectorate and accepts any agreements required to receive such a
status from Agora.}}
On 10 Dec 2008, at 20:26, Roger Hicks wrote:
As required by this sentence I destroy one coin in my possession.
I would recommend judges to fine more like 10 coins in future, 1 coin is
near-worthless.
On 10 Dec 2008, at 20:31, Roger Hicks wrote:
6017 D 1 3.0 Elysion Resurrect Rule 2140
SELL(1VP - PRESENT)
For what it's worth, I will repeat the vote invalidation to handle
the case of the Scam working, so all you're doing is either a no-op
or getting a duplicate rule.
On 10 Dec 2008, at 20:31, Roger Hicks wrote:
SELL(1VP - AGAINST) - This should have addressed the issue of the Note
Exchange in the process. If it did I would vote for it.
That can be handled via the Note Exchange.
On 10 Dec 2008, at 21:22, comex wrote:
Please retract this.
No. It didn't work.
test
On 11 Dec 2008, at 03:53, Ed Murphy wrote:
Anyone want to take over Notary now that it's been caught up?
Maybe later. ;-)
On 11 Dec 2008, at 12:34, Bayes wrote:
Bayes submits the following proposal, titled "Repeal 'Separation of
Powers'"
(AI=2, II=0): {
Repeal Rule 1450 (Separation of Powers).
}
I wonder if the current rule is "only make Terrible Proposals".
On 11 Dec 2008, at 21:02, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
Gratuitous: the new contract was not the backing document for VP, as
they would continue to exist if the new contract didn't exist, thus it
couldn't grant the power to create VP.
Gratuitous: The same could be said about the Vote Market at that ti
On 11 Dec 2008, at 21:32, Roger Hicks wrote:
Now we have a robust economy with dozens of tradable currencies,
including universal currencies like Coins and Chits. Buy and Sell
tickets can be issued with costs in these currencies and recent
history suggests they often are. Vote Points are no long
On 11 Dec 2008, at 22:57, Chris Blair wrote:
Seeing as how no other entity in Agora, as of three months before the
player formerly known as ehird changed their name to the null string
(""), bore the name of the null string; and as I do not particularly
find the player formerly known as ehird's n
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