...pba.py was _awarding_ people for deposits.
Feel free to kill me. New report pushed. comex is less of a crazily-
rich person and
such. BobTHJ: you want to read it.
--
ehird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 19:54, Roger Hicks wrote:
comex seems to have way too many coins after buying all eir assets
back (1468?). Since Warrigal potentially deposited as many as 23 VP in
the PBA (a transaction that is missing from your report) prior to
comex's withdrawing as many as possible, it is
On 27 Oct 2008, at 19:56, Ed Murphy wrote:
And what scam was that, then?
He says he's going to try it again, so I doubt he'll tell you.
--
ehird
pba proto-report up to date, bobthj: please read
--
ehird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 20:25, Roger Hicks wrote:
ehird, we have some trouble with the above transaction. You claim
ais523 was unable to withdraw any 0 crops because e didn't have enough
coins. If that is the case then e didn't have any 0 crops to deposit
into the RBoA, and as a result would only hav
On 27 Oct 2008, at 20:30, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
And a 4 crop. I think this leaves me with 1 coin, which I transfer
to the PNP.
It leaves you with 25, now 24 coins.
--
ehird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 20:58, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote:
The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^9.
The PNP withdraws one 1 crop from the PBA for ^10.
Using the Mill with the first name in alphabetical order out of eir
non-In Production Addition Mills, the PNP mills 1 + 1 = 2.
The PNP d
On 27 Oct 2008, at 21:24, Kerim Aydin wrote:
I agree that criminal proceedings aren't reasonable, I'm more
thinking of
the equity; what is an "equitable" solution to making a mistake that
resets all other members' points? I'm not too bothered with
"gamestate
changing" issues, equity is mo
On 27 Oct 2008, at 21:36, Roger Hicks wrote:
I missed this deposit the first time around (sorry ehird!). Murphy
only had seven 7 crops to deposit, not 8. This effects the following
subsequent PBA withdraw by comex:
2008-10-27 20:49 -- comex deposits 9 1 crops for ^117. comex withdraws
5 6 crops
On 27 Oct 2008, at 21:58, comex wrote:
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Errata
--
CFJ 2223 was not initiated because the UNDEAD contract either doesn't
exist, or ais523 is not a party to it and it is not a pledge. (TODO:
if no evidence of pledgehood by
On 27 Oct 2008, at 22:03, Roger Hicks wrote:
Prior to this the PNP only owned 3 crops, so it appears as if the
entire transaction fails.
OK.
--
ehird
On 27 Oct 2008, at 22:57, Roger Hicks wrote:
ehird, in preparation for an automated system that handles all
economic currencies, would you be willing to transfer recordkeeping
for the PBA to me?
I'm going to have to decline. I am quite happy with recordkeeping the
PBA, however, I
would be
On 27 Oct 2008, at 23:07, comex wrote:
Oh, my. The main benefits of an automated system are only apparent
when there's one recordkeepor of everything...
I am a fan of decentralization. Besides, I don't see how a batch mail-
submission
imported directly into my program would affect things m
On 27 Oct 2008, at 23:31, comex wrote:
Can you implement all the roles of all offices in a completely
automated system without too much hassle on normal game actions?
I will leave the work of thinking about that to the Speaker.
--
ehird
On 28 Oct 2008, at 00:02, Ed Murphy wrote:
Good luck getting the proposal to pass, then.
You may note that this is a response to the proponents of one person
recordkeeping all
the currencies.
--
ehird
On 28/10/2008, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 18:15, Elliott Hird
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On 28 Oct 2008, at 00:02, Ed Murphy wrote:
>>
>>> Good luck getting the proposal to pass, then.
>>
>>
>
On 28 Oct 2008, at 02:08, Roger Hicks wrote:
The PV withdraw and subsequent transfer fail. All PV were destroyed
when ais523 won.
I was unaware. I will fix this.
--
ehird
So the PBA is getting a 9 crop each week and the AFO - a non-comrade
- has given it a 0
crop. However, this doesn't affect the rates! Also, it makes it so
that the amount of
coins in existence aren't enough to withdraw everything.
Proto: rates still change for non-comrade transfers, and the c
On 28 Oct 2008, at 12:09, Elliott Hird wrote:
So the PBA is getting a 9 crop each week and the AFO - a non-
comrade - has given it a 0
crop. However, this doesn't affect the rates! Also, it makes it so
that the amount of
coins in existence aren't enough to withdraw everything.
Pr
On 29 Oct 2008, at 03:31, Ed Murphy wrote:
5814 O 1 1.0 ehird i think the whale is a noun
AGAINST x 5
why?
--
ehird
On 29 Oct 2008, at 12:44, Ed Murphy wrote:
I don't want to dump that into R2193 itself. Re-propose adding the
relevant bit somewhere in R2105 and I'll support.
Um, it's my Monster proposal. I'm Mad Scientist now.
--
ehird
On 29 Oct 2008, at 18:08, Alex Smith wrote:
I PBA-deposit a 9 crop [gaining ^19].
I PBA-withdraw a 0 crop [paying ^9].
I PBA-deposit two 6 crops [gaining ^28+^27=^55].
I PBA-withdraw four 7 crops [paying ^11+^12+^13+^14=^50].
I PBA-withdraw two 4 crops [paying ^6+^7=^13].
works
--
ehird
On 29 Oct 2008, at 20:48, Roger Hicks wrote:
ehird, you missed this
Thanks.
--
ehird
On 29 Oct 2008, at 22:45, warrigal wrote:
I deposit as many VP as possible for at least 15 coins each.
Go daamn i.
BobTHJ? How many VP does warrigal have?
--
ehird
On 29 Oct 2008, at 22:45, warrigal wrote:
I deposit as many VP as possible for at least 15 coins each.
= nine
--
ehird
On 29 Oct 2008, at 22:45, warrigal wrote:
I deposit as many VP as possible for at least 15 coins each.
9
--
ehird
On 30 Oct 2008, at 00:04, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
3 x AGAINST, though I might support adding the sea monster by itself
It's the cookie monster, silly.
--
ehird
On 30 Oct 2008, at 15:26, Ed Murphy wrote:
Second vote ineffective because you're in the chokey.
Similarly for the rest, of course.
:'(
--
ehird
2008/10/30 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 0 = C
> 1 = C# = Db (# = sharp, b = flat)
> 2 = D
> 3 = D# = Eb
> 4 = E
> 5 = F
> 6 = F# = Gb
> 7 = G
> 8 = G# = Ab
> 9 = A
> 10 = A# = Bb
> 11 = B
>
> Major chord = (x, x+4, x+7) mod 12 for some x
> Minor chord = (x, x+3, x+7)
> Major pentad
On 30 Oct 2008, at 20:21, Taral wrote:
R2175 permits a player to retract a case if it has not yet had a judge
assigned to it. However, R101(ii) prohibits actions which would
prevent resolution of a controversy. If ehird's actions on behalf of
BobTHJ are intended to abridge BobTHJ's R101 rights,
On 30 Oct 2008, at 21:56, Ian Kelly wrote:
nobody has severely abused it
Wrnng!
--
ehird
On 30 Oct 2008, at 20:54, Roger Hicks wrote:
I don't know that this works. You can't assign a judge until the
pre-trial phase ends.
It doesn't.
--
ehird
On 31 Oct 2008, at 05:24, Ed Murphy wrote:
Do you mean these?
Why yes. Yes I do.
--
ehird
On 31 Oct 2008, at 13:55, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
I believe it's currently 6-3 in your favor, including 2 conditional
votes for ehird based on sell tickets.
Oh well.
--
ehird
On 31 Oct 2008, at 14:47, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
The nomination period for Anarchist has ended. Bayes was the only
consenting candidate; I install em as Anarchist.
I'd like to take this oppertunity to point out that as far as I know
comex nominated
Bayes without having actually written the
On 31 Oct 2008, at 15:01, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
And I'd like to point out that if Bayes is a person, its obligations
are devolved to at least 2 of its parties.
You would be right. I shall fulfill my part of the obligations by
yelling at comex to
implement it.
--
ehird
On 31 Oct 2008, at 17:56, Sgeo wrote:
From the rules:
The Anarchist's weekly duties include the performance of the
following tasks, in order:
a) Randomly select exactly five distinct rules.
And your point is?
--
ehird
On 31 Oct 2008, at 18:10, Kerim Aydin wrote:
Honestly, I thought I mentioned CFJ 1520 just last week. -Goethe
I don't think there's much of a reasonable way to refer to that
contract in name-ular
form save for "ehird", and the PBA talks about "ehird".
--
ehird
On 31 Oct 2008, at 16:45, Roger Hicks wrote:
PBA (unofficially, though it should be more accurate than the official
report since my tracking is integrated with all the other contracts)
In fact, it's overaccurate! Indeed, it has even _more_ information
than just the correct
set, listing you
On 31 Oct 2008, at 18:30, Roger Hicks wrote:
I am a Comrade.
Hmph. My email client must have dropped that message for some reason.
--
ehird
On 31 Oct 2008, at 18:53, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
I'm treating this message as claiming it was published by the pledge
known as "ehird", which is not a Player and thus can't object.
That has not self-ratified yet.
--
ehird
On 31 Oct 2008, at 18:20, Ian Kelly wrote:
You should probably change your signature.
But the fun of ratifying me as a contract is too tempting.
On 31 Oct 2008, at 18:22, Kerim Aydin wrote:
Why don't you read that CFJ again? -G.
Would you like to point out which bit I missed?
--
ehird
On 31 Oct 2008, at 20:41, Alex Smith wrote:
I can tell you, but ehird's arguing in ##nomic that people other than
the recordkeepor have no right to calculate the state of assets for
themselves. Therefore, I'll tell Hillary if she asks.
This would be amusing if you weren't twisting my words.
On 31/10/2008, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Elliot Hird wrote:
>
>> But the fun of ratifying me as a contract is too tempting.
>
> That's disgusting.
>
>
Uh. What?
On 1 Nov 2008, at 05:19, Roger Hicks wrote:
I resolve this motion:
APPROVE:
BobTHJ - 2399 chits
Taral - 2224 chits
DISAPPROVE:
woggle - 639 chits
The motion is approved. I make the changes as outlined above.
THE RBOA IS NOW A MOUSETRAP.
Get out while you still can.
--
ehird
On 1 Nov 2008, at 06:05, Roger Hicks wrote:
5828 D 2 2.0 Wooble More contests
AGAINST - Don't fix what isn't brokenthe PRS does this just fine.
Of course it's broken. the PRS is a stupid hack that gets around the
rules but had to
be ACTIVATED by the rules!
--
ehird
On 1 Nov 2008, at 12:36, Ed Murphy wrote:
Mon 29 Sep 01:03:13 ehird : Murphy> ehird (JavaScript)
CoE: Murphy did that.
--
ehird
On 1 Nov 2008, at 13:45, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal CFJ against the
person with the email address [EMAIL PROTECTED], alleging e violated
Rule 2170 by intending to mislead others as to eir identity in at
least the signature on the above-quoted message,
On 31 Oct 2008, at 18:20, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
I intend, with the support of the People, to amend the PBA contract by
replacing "ehird" with "BobTHJ" in paragraph 12.
--Wooble
I *would* like to keep Coinkeepor, you know. Even though it's not my
choice.
--
ehird
On 1 Nov 2008, at 16:55, Ian Kelly wrote:
Actually it's not, since you forgot to make it disinterested.
Goshdarnit.
--
ehird
On 1 Nov 2008, at 22:37, Ed Murphy wrote:
TTbtAFO:
Surely too ambiguous to be effective.
--
ehird
On 1 Nov 2008, at 23:46, comex wrote:
(I transfer one prop from ehird to ais523 because that Cookie Monster
wasn't eir own drawing.)
No duh?
--
ehird
On 2 Nov 2008, at 05:11, Ed Murphy wrote:
I appeal this judgement and recommend REASSIGN.
Actually it's very equitable. I almost put a zombifying clause in there.
--
ehird
On 2 Nov 2008, at 15:59, 0x44 wrote:
Says you.
--Warrigal, Hypocrite of Escher
--
ehird
On 2 Nov 2008, at 17:23, Alexander Smith wrote:
* Is it really necessary any more, now there's an AAA
report online? I was a big supporter at the time because
most of the PBA/AAA problems were caused by ehird not
knowing crop holdings, but the online AAA report seems
to have fixed that.
On 2 Nov 2008, at 18:40, comex wrote:
I spend Eb G Bb to increase Bayes' caste to Delta.
I spend F A C to increase Bayes' caste to Gamma.
I spend G B D to increase Bayes' caste to Beta.
I spend G B D to increase Bayes' caste to Alpha.
Praise be Bayes.
--
ehird
On 3 Nov 2008, at 13:35, Roger Hicks wrote:
CoE: The RBoA has 260 coins (I believe I mentioned this before).
Would you like to tell me why? The log is right there.
--
ehird
On 3 Nov 2008, at 15:22, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
Should the PNP take this as an unambiguous attempt to submit a
proposal?
The Rulekeepor should take it as an unambiguous creation of a rule.
--
ehird
On 3 Nov 2008, at 13:49, Elliott Hird wrote:
On 3 Nov 2008, at 13:35, Roger Hicks wrote:
CoE: The RBoA has 260 coins (I believe I mentioned this before).
Would you like to tell me why? The log is right there.
(I'm not doubting you, I just can't fix it unless I know why.)
--
ehird
On 3 Nov 2008, at 17:29, comex wrote:
This is not an inquiry case on the possibility or legality of a
rule-defined action.
Is it not?
--
ehird
On 3 Nov 2008, at 18:06, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Elliott Hird
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The rules, as a whole, comprise a statement stating the rules of
Agora.
No, they don't. CFJ 1266.
-root
Hmm. I'm not quite sure that applies here, but
On 3 Nov 2008, at 20:32, Ed Murphy wrote:
I PBA-withdraw three 4 crops.
2008-11-03 20:32 -- Murphy withdraws a 4 crop for ^30. (originally
wanted 3, but the bank didn't have that much)
--
ehird
On 3 Nov 2008, at 20:55, Elliott Hird wrote:
On 3 Nov 2008, at 20:32, Ed Murphy wrote:
I PBA-withdraw three 4 crops.
2008-11-03 20:32 -- Murphy withdraws a 4 crop for ^30. (originally
wanted 3, but the bank didn't have that much)
--
ehird
Bullcrap, I have a bug. Fixing.
--
ehird
On 3 Nov 2008, at 20:56, Elliott Hird wrote:
Bullcrap, I have a bug. Fixing.
http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report. Few rates were wrong and such,
no knock-on effects
that I know of, so it's all good.
--
ehird
2008-11-03 22:01 -- PNP withdraws a 5 crop for ^11. (originally wanted
2, but the bank didn't have that much) PNP deposits a X crop for ^34.
PNP withdraws a 7 crop for ^13. PNP withdraws a 9 crop for ^14. PNP
deposits a 2 crop for ^33. PNP attempts to withdraw a 5 crop for ^12.
(fails, cost specif
On 3 Nov 2008, at 21:04, Kerim Aydin wrote:
I submit the following proposal, 'NOT GUILTY', AI-2:
Coauthor?
--
ehird
On 3 Nov 2008, at 23:05, Ed Murphy wrote:
ehird wrote:
2008-11-03 22:01 -- PNP withdraws a 5 crop for ^11. (originally
wanted
2, but the bank didn't have that much) PNP deposits a X crop for ^34.
PNP withdraws a 7 crop for ^13. PNP withdraws a 9 crop for ^14. PNP
deposits a 2 crop for ^33. P
On 4 Nov 2008, at 02:49, 0x44 wrote:
I become a Comrade.
I'll forgive the awful typo.
--
ehird
On 4 Nov 2008, at 15:44, Roger Hicks wrote:
2008-10-20 19:33 -- ais523 attempts to withdraw 2 X crops for ^47.
(fails, it didn't - ed, 2008-10-21) ais523 transfers all of eir coins
(^719) to RBoA. (note - this happened in splits throughout the run -
ed, 2008-10-21)
The total amount of coins ais
On 4 Nov 2008, at 17:24, Roger Hicks wrote:
Take a look at my online log, but some of the deposits didn't happen
due to the PnP not having the appropriate crops.
Yes, in the _up to date online report which is always available at
http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report and is really cute and fluff
On 4 Nov 2008, at 18:56, Roger Hicks wrote:
It appears both ehird and I are incorrect on the RBOA's coin total.
if the log is right the count is right unless I have a major bug,
which I'm not sure
I do.
It's program-generated. But let me test.
--
ehird
On 4 Nov 2008, at 18:56, Roger Hicks wrote:
2008-10-23 00:21 -- Murphy joins. Murphy deposits 7 6 crops for ^140.
(originally tried to deposit 8, but only had 7 - ed, 2008-10-27)
Murphy transfers ^156 to RBoA. (fails, Murphy only has ^140)
538
Keyword "fails".
--
ehird
now with more newlines!
--
ehird
On 4 Nov 2008, at 20:10, Alex Smith wrote:
I RBoA-withdraw as many Coins as I can afford.
108
--
ehird
On 4 Nov 2008, at 21:36, Roger Hicks wrote:
Ah..last time I reconciled that you didn't show it as failed.
Which I apologize for - that was pre-automation. Geez, we sure are
good at messing up
our banks.
Now we have some serious problems because this screws up all the
rest of
Murphy'
On 4 Nov 2008, at 21:59, Roger Hicks wrote:
(PBA) 2008-10-23 00:21 -- Murphy joins.
2008-10-23 00:21 -- Murphy deposits 7 6 crops for ^140. (originally
tried to deposit 8, but only had 7 - ed, 2008-10-27)
2008-10-23 00:21 -- Murphy transfers ^156 to RBoA. (fails, Murphy
only
has ^140)
(This
On 4 Nov 2008, at 22:13, Roger Hicks wrote:
therefore the RBOA rules for transactions apply, not the PBAs
That's a great way to cause mass confusion.
So now I get to special-case the RBoA in my program...
--
ehird
On 4 Nov 2008, at 23:04, Roger Hicks wrote:
126, actually.
ais523's coins / floor(rate*1.1), no?
--
ehird
On 4 Nov 2008, at 22:27, Roger Hicks wrote:
For simply the sake of relaxed recordkeeping on both our parts, I
initiate the following Bank Motion:
{
The RBOA's exchange rate for Coins is removed.
}
I can't but I in-spirit oppose. I don't mind the recordkeeping and I
think the
intra-Bank act
On 5 Nov 2008, at 00:25, Kerim Aydin wrote:
How?
I hadn't joined it at the time.
--
ehird
On 5 Nov 2008, at 00:30, comex wrote:
This fails because you are not an instrument (see Rule 105).
Poop. One-off proposal, anyone?
--
ehird
On 5 Nov 2008, at 12:34, Bayes wrote:
Bayes votes as follows:
5837 O 1 1.0 Murphy The rules command you
FOR*8 (60% sure)
5838 O 0 1.0 ais523 Reformed Bank of Agora
FOR*8 (50% sure)
--
bayes 2008-11-02 18:44:42 +
why is it voting for everything
--
ehird
On 5 Nov 2008, at 15:48, Ed Murphy wrote:
Someone suggested in ##nomic (I think you were AFK)
comex, I think.
--
ehird
On 5 Nov 2008, at 16:43, Roger Hicks wrote:
I deposit four 0 crops and eleven 4 crops in the PBA.
I PBA-withdraw a C Credit, E Credit, and a G Credit.
Works fine.
--
ehird
On 5 Nov 2008, at 17:48, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
You've stated publicly that you don't know perl and your request was
made shortly after you bribed a partner to cause the PNP to distribute
a proposal for you. I think it was probably a fair inference that you
wanted to join so you could have the p
On 5 Nov 2008, at 19:36, Alex Smith wrote:
Why? This is basically just fixing a buggy proposal via Monster. It'll
be fixed by proposal otherwise, but this way is faster.
Agora nationalism?
--
ehird
On 5 Nov 2008, at 20:35, Alex Smith wrote:
I support. Not that I think ihope is Dvorak, though, but randomly
claiming to be em is still against the rules. Leave that sort of thing
to spoon-discussion not agora-business, please.
--
ais523
Further reinforcing the non-funness of Agora.
--
ehir
On 5 Nov 2008, at 20:47, Roger Hicks wrote:
Our reports were in agreement yesterday. Any chance you can remedy
this?
Either transfers do as much as possible, or fail if it's not exact.
Due to the RBoA, I have now picked the former.
--
ehird
On 5 Nov 2008, at 21:28, Roger Hicks wrote:
Any chance you could special case either the RBOA transactions or the
non-RBOA transactions for past events? Constantly re-writing past game
history kind of sucks. Feel free to adopt whatever policy you wish
going forward...it's just the past items tha
On 5 Nov 2008, at 23:18, comex wrote:
For P1,
a public contract between ehird and me,
Confirmed.
--
ehird
On 5 Nov 2008, at 23:36, comex wrote:
which ehird and I have
privately agreed to.
Yep.
--
ehird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 00:58, comex wrote:
With ehird and my own agreement, I make these changes.
I did agree, via private mail.
I also agreed to all the other contracts there.
--
ehird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 01:13, Ian Kelly wrote:
I object to all dependent actions that were buried in comex's message
titled "sheer cruelty (and lots of points)".
There are none, as far as I can tell.
--
ehird
On 6 Nov 2008, at 03:08, Roger Hicks wrote:
Whatever the case, I think Wooble and ehird's mousetrap was perfectly
fair. Perhaps the mousetrapped should have their CFJ rights preserved
(including equity) but beyond that I hold myself responsible for not
better monitoring the Protection Racket's am
On 6 Nov 2008, at 15:11, Roger Hicks wrote:
otherwise I'm not sure if this multiple recordkeepor's thing is
going to work.
I don't recall advocating it, either.
On 6 Nov 2008, at 15:11, Roger Hicks wrote:
(NOTE: Ignore Wooble's transaction on my automated log. I entered it,
but it won't di
On 6 Nov 2008, at 15:18, Roger Hicks wrote:
Evidence - Wooble's first four transactions with the PBA (copied from
the current PBA log). According to the log, I have noted the number of
coins Wooble would have after each transaction:
2008-10-15 15:29 -- Wooble joins.
2008-10-15 15:29 -- Wooble de
On 6 Nov 2008, at 15:37, Roger Hicks wrote:
I'm not sure either. Can we ratify the gamestate of the PBA to what my
report would show at 00:00 on Nov 6 (just prior to Wooble's most
recent transaction)? Then you can use whatever policy you wish going
forward (there should be no further direct RBO
On 6 Nov 2008, at 16:21, Roger Hicks wrote:
A contract should be able to ratify its own internal gamestate using
whatever method it desires. However, if you think you can fix whatever
bug is causing this issue then I'll wait.
Yes, it was a knock-on effect of fixing a previous bug. Oops...
Th
On 6 Nov 2008, at 17:01, Ed Murphy wrote:
For the purpose of this message, to flip a Credit is to perform
the following actions if and only if it would result in a net
increase in my Coin holdings:
1) RBoA-withdraw a Credit of that pitch
2) PBA-deposit that Credit
3) RBoA-deposit the mini
On 6 Nov 2008, at 17:15, Roger Hicks wrote:
The AAA has treated this withdraw as a success since 10/22, so for
you to change it
now would require a complete re-calculation of the AAA, and
subsequently the RBOA, and
subsequently Vote Market, PRS, Note Exchange, etc.
Here I was thinking aut
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