Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Convening the Thesis Review Board

2023-04-26 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion [2023-04-24 13:07]: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 12:52 PM juan via agora-business > wrote: > > > > ABSTRACT: based on the considerably well-crafted analysis and extensive > > historical research, useful and insightful crafting of concepts, but an > > unfortunate lack

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Hats pls

2023-04-26 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion [2023-04-24 19:35]: > I submit the following proposal instead: > {Enact a new rule with the text > "hats are an untracked player switch that can have any value ever."} I mean, flipping switches (‘flippling switches! they ate all my peanuts’) is regulated, and th

DIS: [@Collector] Re: BUS: Stamp trade

2023-04-26 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Just tagging the officer. juan via agora-business [2023-04-26 10:37]: > I transfer one juan stamp to Yachay. > > -- > juan -- juan

Re: DIS: Solving the Agoran Problem of random assignment and secrecy

2023-04-26 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion [2023-04-25 18:45]: > Agoran Mafia brought up a problem that comes by Agora now and again: The > problem of someone needing a "special role" in order to participate in a > tournament that requires secrecy (EG Mafia). I wanted to share my solution, > as this isn't

Re: DIS: Solving the Agoran Problem of random assignment and secrecy

2023-04-26 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/26/23 08:49, juan via agora-discussion wrote: Or we just have everyone draw a random number that tells them what is their role. Draw from where? We're doing this without replacement, so whatever is passing the info needs to not give duplicates, but also not be readable by a player. -- ni

Re: DIS: Solving the Agoran Problem of random assignment and secrecy

2023-04-26 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/26/23 08:49, juan via agora-discussion wrote: (Btw, I also appreciate the beauty in a cryptographic scheme that doesn't require trust (on other's intentions or competence), but also recognize that Agora has a tradition of using trust-based schemes, which are much easier to implement, and cer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Hats pls

2023-04-26 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 6:33 AM juan via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion [2023-04-24 19:35]: > > I submit the following proposal instead: > > {Enact a new rule with the text > > "hats are an untracked player switch that can have any

Re: DIS: Solving the Agoran Problem of random assignment and secrecy

2023-04-26 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/25/23 20:45, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: Agoran Mafia brought up a problem that comes by Agora now and again: The problem of someone needing a "special role" in order to participate in a tournament that requires secrecy (EG Mafia). I wanted to share my solution, as this isn't

Re: DIS: Solving the Agoran Problem of random assignment and secrecy

2023-04-26 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I appreciate the effort that has gone into this. There is still the issue of having to trust that those assigners don't collude with each other in secret, I wonder if there would be some way to solve that. On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 4:36 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>

Re: DIS: Solving the Agoran Problem of random assignment and secrecy

2023-04-26 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/26/23 10:50, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I appreciate the effort that has gone into this. > > There is still the issue of having to trust that those assigners don't > collude with each other in secret, I wonder if there would be some way to > solve that. In my view, the th

Re: DIS: Solving the Agoran Problem of random assignment and secrecy

2023-04-26 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/26/23 09:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: An alternative, non cryptographic (or maybe more accurately, cryptography by hand) solution: There was further discussion of this solution. It's probably crackable with a normal table, which might be mitigated by padding the table with dumm

DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] A Pox! A Pox on All of You!

2023-04-26 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/26/23 13:18, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: I change my vote on 8960 to FOR for funsies :) FYI: I plan to ratify without objection that inactive players never received those blots (as a courtesy since the intent of the proposal is clear but this RWO would fix that issue) Probably

Re: DIS: Solving the Agoran Problem of random assignment and secrecy

2023-04-26 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:11 AM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/26/23 09:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > >> > > An alternative, non cryptographic (or maybe more accurately, > > cryptography by hand) solution: > > There was further discussion of this

Re: DIS: Solving the Agoran Problem of random assignment and secrecy

2023-04-26 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I offer myself as a volunteer to be a number assigner On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 9:44 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 10:11 AM nix via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 4/26/23 09:36, nix v

Re: DIS: Solving the Agoran Problem of random assignment and secrecy

2023-04-26 Thread juan via agora-discussion
nix via agora-discussion [2023-04-26 08:51]: > On 4/26/23 08:49, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > Or we just have everyone draw a random number that tells them what is > > their role. > Draw from where? We're doing this without replacement, so whatever is > passing the info needs to not give du

Re: DIS: Solving the Agoran Problem of random assignment and secrecy

2023-04-26 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/26/23 16:47, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > There are N players. K of em will be Mafia. Each player flips a biased > coin with chance K/N of landing heads. If it lands heads, they know they > are Mafia. Else, they are Defender. Ah yea, that works probability wise for a large enough N with