Kerim Aydin wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006, Kerim Aydin wrote:
In the context of a body of text (e.g. a rule), what's the
difference between claiming to defer and actually deferring?
A claim to defer is not necessarily successful, whereas actually
deferring is successful by definition.
Followu
Neither of my two recent questions were rhetorical.
-Goethe
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006, Kerim Aydin wrote:
In the context of a body of text (e.g. a rule), what's the
difference between claiming to defer and actually deferring?
Followup question: I would say both of the below phrases
"explicitly claim to defer" to other rules. So if they
differ from each oth
Maud wrote:
Is it relevant that rule 1030 only talks about explicit *claims*
of deference, rather than deference itself?
In the context of a body of text (e.g. a rule), what's the
difference between claiming to defer and actually deferring?
-G.
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 09:09:12PM -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> Sorry, don't buy it. If a rule sets a property value, then allows
> other rules to modify that property, it is deferring to those other
> rules for setting that value, even if it doesn't use the word
> "defer". In the absence of a nom
Murphy wrote:
No, it limits its own jurisdiction, so there is no conflict, so
R1482 never comes into play. For its intent to be thwarted by
R1482, it would have to be worded like this:
The voting limit of an eligible voter on an ordinary proposal is
one. This rule defers to other rul
Judgement: TRUE
Reasons and arguments:
I have nothing to add to the Caller's Arguments, except to note
that higher Powered Rules are generally able to defer to lower
Powered Rules by avoiding conflict (e.g. by saying "unless another
Rule says otherwise").
Is it just me, or is this judgeme
OscarMeyr wrote:
On Sep 8, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
First of all, root, OscarMeyr and Maud, with regard to the original
question, please see CFJ 1103, a mandatory annotation to R1482 in
the SLR. I think that answeres the question--even the explicit
deference is forbidden if the
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 06:22:42PM -0400, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
> Thanks for the reference, Goethe. Unfortunately, the CotC web
> archives only go back to 1273. Still, the annotation in the ruleset
> should help.
Here you go:
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On Sep 8, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:First of all, root, OscarMeyr and Maud, with regard to the originalquestion, please see CFJ 1103, a mandatory annotation to R1482 inthe SLR. I think that answeres the question--even the explicitdeference is forbidden if the deference is to a lower-pow
First of all, root, OscarMeyr and Maud, with regard to the original
question, please see CFJ 1103, a mandatory annotation to R1482 in
the SLR. I think that answeres the question--even the explicit
deference is forbidden if the deference is to a lower-powered rule!
So VLOP can only be set by powe
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 08:40:54AM -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> Indeed. I wrote it, and it wasn't my intent.
My apologies. I was almost certain, based on the language, that I had
written it as a part of the Cobalt Repeals.
So let me rephrase -- *if* I had written that, it would have been my
inte
Maud wrote:
This is at least the intent of the rule. (But in Agora, who cares
about intent?)
Indeed. I wrote it, and it wasn't my intent.
-G.
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 08:10:05PM -0400, Benjamin Schultz wrote:
> Just to check rule powers... R1950 is Power 3, and says in part:
>
> The voting limit of an eligible voter on an ordinary proposal is
> one, if not explicitly modified by other rules.
>
>
> Does this permit a Power 2
On 9/7/06, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just to check rule powers... R1950 is Power 3, and says in part:
The voting limit of an eligible voter on an ordinary proposal is
one, if not explicitly modified by other rules.
Does this permit a Power 2 rule to modify voting
OscarMeyr wrote:
Just to check rule powers... R1950 is Power 3, and says in part:
The voting limit of an eligible voter on an ordinary proposal is
one, if not explicitly modified by other rules.
Does this permit a Power 2 rule to modify voting limits on
ordinary proposals?
Erm, an inte
Just to check rule powers... R1950 is Power 3, and says in part: The voting limit of an eligible voter on an ordinary proposal is one, if not explicitly modified by other rules.Does this permit a Power 2 rule to modify voting limits on ordinary proposals? -Benjamin Schultz KE3OMOscarM
Fourth draft.[Changes in this draft:* Changed VPOP to voting limit on ordinary proposals.* Voting limit due to this rule is reset when someone wins the game.* Specified conditions that cause attempts to use VCs to fail.]Create a new rule titled "Voting Credits" of Power 2 with the following text, d
On Sep 1, 2006, at 3:18 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:On 8/31/06, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm willing to consider a hard reset of voting power upon a win. What doeseverybody else think? I agree. Periodic resets are necessary to prevent players fromgetting too entrenched.OK, I'll add res
On 8/31/06, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm willing to consider a hard reset of voting power upon a win. What does
everybody else think?
I agree. Periodic resets are necessary to prevent players from
getting too entrenched.
It also occurs to me that VPOP and VPDP haven't been
On Aug 30, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:OscarMeyr wrote: Create a new rule titled "Voting Credits" of Power 2 with the following text, delimited by '---'. I like this very much, but please add a hard reset in which everyoneis reset to start... I would say ~once a year, and/or upon a win?I'm
OscarMeyr wrote:
Create a new rule titled "Voting Credits" of Power 2 with the
following text, delimited by '---'.
I like this very much, but please add a hard reset in which everyone
is reset to start... I would say ~once a year, and/or upon a win?
-Goethe
Third draft.[Changes to this draft:s/Assessor/Promotor/greflecting the passage of Red Tape Repeals]Create a new rule titled "Voting Credits" of Power 2 with the following text, delimited by '---'.---Voting Credits (VCs) are a measure of each player's ability to affect voting power. A player's VC i
Second draft.[Changes, with thanks to Sherlock and root:* Swapped costs for increasing VPOP; giving yourself an extra vote costs 2 VCs, and giving someone else an extra vote costs 1 VC.* Awarded 1 VC to co-authors of proposals.* Increased VC award to the proposal's AI. Go ahead and get those AI=4
On Aug 20, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Ian Kelly wrote:A player may expend one VC to increase eir own VPOP by one.A player may expend two VCs to increase any other player's VPOP by one. These should be the other way around. It should be cheaper toincrease another player's VPOP than your own. Otherwise, why
fractional VC awards would make it easier... I just am unsure what a fractional VC would meanOn 8/20/06, Jonathan Fry <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:--- Benjamin Schultz <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> That is the intent; I'm having trouble with the grammar. How's this?>> A player gains one VC when a pr
--- Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That is the intent; I'm having trouble with the grammar. How's this?
>
> A player gains one VC when a proposal is adopted that e submitted.
Sounds good.
This would probably be difficult to implement and potentially open to
abuse, but would i
A player may expend one VC to increase eir own VPOP by one.
A player may expend two VCs to increase any other player's VPOP by one.
These should be the other way around. It should be cheaper to
increase another player's VPOP than your own. Otherwise, why increase
another player's VPOP?
-root
On Aug 20, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Jonathan Fry wrote:--- Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A player gains one VC when e submits a proposal that is adopted. It probably makes sense to have the VC gain occur when the adoption of thepropoal occurs. It's not clear how it would work as phrased abo
--- Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> A player gains one VC when e submits a proposal that is adopted.
It probably makes sense to have the VC gain occur when the adoption of the
propoal occurs. It's not clear how it would work as phrased above.
Sherlock
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Draft: Voting Credits(This would probably have to be of Power 2.)Create a new rule titled "Voting Credits" with the following text:Voting Credits (VCs) are a measure of each player's ability to affect voting power. The Assessor is the recordkeepor of VCs. VCs are not any form of property and cann
I just remembered that I do have another idea: A vote fight.Each player's VPOP starts at 1, and can never go below this.Each time a player's democratic proposal passes, e receives +1 to eir VPOP (+2 if adopted unanimously), or other similar constructs.A player may reduce eir own VPOP by 2 to reduc
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