Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-19 Thread Iammars
On Jan 19, 2008 3:03 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > root wrote: > > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:37 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> One could argue that the URL counts as a single OBJECT vote, ignoring > >> the content behind that URL. > >> > >> I now intend to cause the panel to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-19 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 12:37 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: One could argue that the URL counts as a single OBJECT vote, ignoring the content behind that URL. I now intend to cause the panel to judge REMAND, with instructions to the judge to consider all of these possible interp

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: >Another way to put it (with a connection to past precedent) is that the >contents behind the link have not left the technical domain of control >of the sender, so the message has not been sent. Interesting point. You could argue that the TDOC is left when the web server comp

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >How many people have reasonable access to Flash Player these days? I found that requirement unacceptable. I eschew graphical web browsers for a variety of reasons, chief among them the submission to external authority, the hideous user interfaces, and the security problems. I do

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 14, 2008 1:24 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > root wrote: > > > We have established precedent that base64 encoding is not an > > acceptable format for delivering a message containing game actions. > > It's acceptable when properly labeled (as you judged in CFJ 1741), > unaccepta

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, comex wrote: > Besides, I could have linked to a page controlled by me that displays > "SUPPORT" or "OBJECT" depending on who views it, or some other equally > dangerous thing. Another way to put it (with a connection to past precedent) is that the contents behind the link h

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread comex
On Jan 14, 2008 3:24 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How many people have reasonable access to Flash Player these days? If > it's missing or disabled on their usual machine, then does the page > clearly indicate what it requires? There's no native Flash player for amd64 Linux. Now, we

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Why should a link to an external web page that requires Flash Player >> to view be acceptable? > > How many people have reasonable access to Flash Player these days? If > it's missing or disabled on their usual machine, then does the page > clearly indicat

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > We have established precedent that base64 encoding is not an > acceptable format for delivering a message containing game actions. It's acceptable when properly labeled (as you judged in CFJ 1741), unacceptable otherwise (as I did in CFJ 1580). I would lean toward any sort of "thi

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 14, 2008 12:37 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One could argue that the URL counts as a single OBJECT vote, ignoring > the content behind that URL. > > I now intend to cause the panel to judge REMAND, with instructions to > the judge to consider all of these possible interpretatio

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 14, 2008 12:16 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The web page contains both "objection" and "support". My opinion is > that the message thus specified (at least) two votes, hence the > statement (which implies exactly one vote) is false. Ah, I misremembered the actual content of t

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: I'm confused. You appear to be accepting the appellant's argument that a URL on its own is not a vote, but asserting that the "objection" on the web page does constitute a vote. This would lead to reversing to TRUE, not to affirming. The we

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: >> I'm confused. You appear to be accepting the appellant's argument >> that a URL on its own is not a vote, but asserting that the >> "objection" on the web page does constitute a vote. This would lead >> to reversing to TRUE, not to affirming. > > The web

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 9:37 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM. "Objection" clearly appears in the web page (not just its URL), so the "multiple votes -> FALSE that it was exactly one vote" interpretation is correct. I'm confused. You a

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Jan 14, 2008 9:37 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM. "Objection" clearly > appears in the web page (not just its URL), so the "multiple votes > -> FALSE that it was exactly one vote" interpretation is correct. I'm confused. You appear to be

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Iammars
On Jan 14, 2008 11:37 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Zefram wrote: > > > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1831b > > I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM. "Objection" clearly > appears in the web page (not just its URL), so the "multiple votes > -> FALSE

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1831b: recuse, assign Iammars, Murphy, root

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=1831b I intend to cause the panel to judge AFFIRM. "Objection" clearly appears in the web page (not just its URL), so the "multiple votes -> FALSE that it was exactly one vote" interpretation is correct.