Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-27 Thread James Cook
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 03:50, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, James Cook wrote: > > > 5. Rule 2465 says: "Upon doing so, the specified players win the game." > > When we talk about "Doing X" for any X, we almost always take X to refer > > to the Action ("Declaring apathy") and not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-27 Thread James Cook
> https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?2149 > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?2150 > > These two judgements distinguish speech acts as being treated > differently than other types of terms-of-art. That landing-on-the-moon judgement was about landing on the moon using

DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-22 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, James Cook wrote: 5. Rule 2465 says: "Upon doing so, the specified players win the game." When we talk about "Doing X" for any X, we almost always take X to refer to the Action ("Declaring apathy") and not the method (without objection). R2125 supports this in that it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 7:06 AM Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I feel like my understanding is a bit lacking, though. R2125 + R2152 > > tell us that attempting to raise a banner by a method outside the > > rules is "unsuccessful". But it feels a bit similar to the rules > > claiming that I don't exist, or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-22 Thread Cuddle Beam
The rules don’t have to be consistent with reality. Or itself lol. Because we can write pretty much anything to Agora’s ruletext. As fun as it would be to try to nuke Agora with the Principle of Explosion, I doubt it would actually work. We even have paradoxes in the game that somehow don’t oblite

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-21 Thread James Cook
Hm, that's a good point about capitalization. I'm not really familiar enough with game custom to say. Your idea about raising a real-life banner has got me thinking... Raising a banner is a regulated action (R2125), so even if we assume capitalization doesn't matter, and that you did raise a bann

DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-20 Thread D. Margaux
On Feb 20, 2019, at 2:10 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> If a scam along these lines worked, the required declaration would have >> to express apathy the concept, not "apathy" the word. Something like "I >> am apathetic." might potentially work, but it's a bit of a stretch. This reminds me of an em

DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-19 Thread Cuddle Beam
On a side-note, if capitalization no longer denotes terms of art and should be interpreted literally, I got to go look for a real-life banner to raise some time in the future... On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 08:20, Cuddle Beam wrote: > >Capitalization is generally inconsequential and should not be used

DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-19 Thread Cuddle Beam
>Capitalization is generally inconsequential and should not be used to infer that it's a term of art I disagree. And my counterargument is going to make me sip a lot of air through my teeth because I don’t like it. The capitalization thing is an Agoran slang/tradition/cultural thing (yuck, uuuhgg

DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-19 Thread James Cook
On Tue., Feb. 19, 2019, 23:12 ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk < ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > On Wed, 2019-02-20 at 03:56 +, James Cook wrote: > > Apathy. I specify Falsifian and G. > > > > I initiate a Call for Judgement, specifying the statement: "Falsifian > > and G won the game." > > > > Here