Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-18 Thread Nic Evans
More importantly: It'll be two weeks until PLP math changes, which gives us time to revert it if we'd like. The fix to ballots, however, is an *critical* concern. I'd rather vote for this in its current form ASAP and debate PLP later. On 05/18/17 19:49, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2017-05-18 at 0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-05-18 at 05:42 -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I would still oppose this because it only encourages an increase in > the list price and makes it much harder for it to decrease. This is mathematically equivalent to the current formula, unless I've missed something. (Tha

DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-18 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I would still oppose this because it only encourages an increase in the list price and makes it much harder for it to decrease. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:33 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2017-05-15 at 17:28 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: >> I submit the followin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2017-05-17 at 21:00 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Did the broken extend the voting period issue in from CFJ 3470 ever > get fixed? Looking at the ruleset, perhaps not? However, the CFJ judgement was fairly perfunctory (if I'd been paying more attention, I'd at least have suggested that the ju

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-17 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 18 May 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2017-05-18 at 04:06 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > > The whole issue with quorum actually makes the timing irrelevant. You > > could still have blocked the scam even after the "end of the voting > > period"; the proposal was clearly inquorate at the sc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-17 Thread Nic Evans
I'd be happy to write a more formal argument if a CFJ is called, but I pretty much agree with ais523 on this. I've been aware of the resolution re-arrangement for a while. It's a quite powerful ability considering everything it can do. Also note that that resolution was titled "Attempt 1" not becau

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-17 Thread Aris Merchant
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2017-05-17 at 19:57 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: >> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Alex Smith > > wrote: >> > >> > I pend that proposal, using the mechanism in the rule "Reward and >> > Delay". >> >> I can't distribute these until you c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2017-05-18 at 04:06 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > The whole issue with quorum actually makes the timing irrelevant. You > could still have blocked the scam even after the "end of the voting > period"; the proposal was clearly inquorate at the scheduled end of the > voting period, which causes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2017-05-17 at 19:57 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Alex Smith > wrote: > > > > I pend that proposal, using the mechanism in the rule "Reward and > > Delay". > > I can't distribute these until you convince a judge that your > non-dictatorship exists. The te

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-17 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On May 17, 2017, at 10:57 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> >> I pend that proposal, using the mechanism in the rule "Reward and >> Delay". > > I can't distribute these until you convince a judge that your > non-dictatorship exists. The te

DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-17 Thread Aris Merchant
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > I pend that proposal, using the mechanism in the rule "Reward and > Delay". I can't distribute these until you convince a judge that your non-dictatorship exists. The technical evidence alone is convoluted, and that's ignoring quorum. I don't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-17 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I concur with o regarding both the list price issue and the fact that your payment does not affect the list price. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On May 15, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Alex Smith wrote: >> >> I transfer 10 Shinies to Agor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-16 Thread Nicholas Evans
On May 16, 2017 23:33, "Alex Smith" wrote: As such, I went for the simpler option (especially as IIRC there was a proposal to simplify the pending price system floating around already, and I didn't want to accidentally reverse it). If you strongly feel that allowing a drift down is likely to make

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-16 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2017-05-16 at 22:45 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On May 15, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Alex Smith > > wrote: > > > > I transfer 10 Shinies to Agora. (The victory from this scam seems like > > enough of a reward without trying to cheat on pending costs at the same > > time.) > > I believe this

DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-16 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On May 15, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > I transfer 10 Shinies to Agora. (The victory from this scam seems like > enough of a reward without trying to cheat on pending costs at the same > time.) I believe this transfer should not affect the pending list price, but I’m not complete

DIS: Re: BUS: Time to close the loopholes

2017-05-15 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Thank you, oh powerful and benevolent dictator. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > I transfer 10 Shinies to Agora. (The victory from this scam seems like > enough of a reward without trying to cheat on pending costs at the same > time.) > >