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2009-07-09 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: >> 6400 O 1 1.5 Murphy No early rotation > AGAINST; what happens if the Justiciar is forced to assign a case, but > is unable to, because assigning judges to the other cases involved has > to be done by the CotC? Then the Justiciar is NOT GUILTY per R1504(e).

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2009-07-09 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Sean Hunt wrote: > Benjamin Caplan wrote: >> Sean Hunt wrote: Proposal 6397 (Democratic, AI=2.0, Interest=0) by Pavitra Support Diplomacy >>> AGAINST, this defeats the purpose of the rule in the first place. >> Not really. The purpose of the rule in the first place is to prevent >> arbitr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-09 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 18:44 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Charles Reiss wrote: > >> 6397 D 0 2.0 Pavitra Support Diplomacy > > AGAINST (should not be disinterested) > Um, what? "Should be disinterested" is a sensible enough reason to vote > AGAINST a proposal, because the author of a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-08 Thread Sean Hunt
Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Sean Hunt wrote: >>> Proposal 6397 (Democratic, AI=2.0, Interest=0) by Pavitra >>> Support Diplomacy >> AGAINST, this defeats the purpose of the rule in the first place. > Not really. The purpose of the rule in the first place is to prevent > arbitrary creation of corporate

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2009-07-08 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Charles Reiss wrote: >> 6397 D 0 2.0 Pavitra Support Diplomacy > AGAINST (should not be disinterested) Um, what? "Should be disinterested" is a sensible enough reason to vote AGAINST a proposal, because the author of a passing interested proposal gets paid for it, but... /what/? Is ther

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread Charles Reiss
On 7/6/09 10:06 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: [snip] > > That aside, it's a more general issue. Let's say I have a detailed > private contract with all sorts of economic and political manipulations. > One small part of that is an "act on behalf of". When it happens, > all the public needs to know is th

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2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: > Suppose one > player acts on behalf of another claiming that a secret contract (which > the second is party to, but the first isn't) allows them to. The second > player cannot then object without revealing information that e is > contractually obligated to keep

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 11:30 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 10:58 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Evidence: the quote above. > > > > Arguments: The issue here is about how much evidence needs to be given > > for act-on-behalf to work. Contracts

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2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 10:55 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: > > Ah yes; my trigger publicises the whole contract. Doing it with portions > > wouldn't necessarily be too difficult, though; you only need one slave > > contract, which can be amended to add parties actions

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2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, comex wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: >>> Ah yes; my trigger publicises the whole contract. Doing it with portions >>> wouldn't necessarily be too difficult, though; you only need one slave >>> contract, which

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, comex wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> That aside, it's a more general issue.  Let's say I have a detailed ... > > I've agreed to a private contract with ais523 called Fookie II. It > contains the following text: > > 4. Any party to this contract

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6395-6402

2009-07-06 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: >> Ah yes; my trigger publicises the whole contract. Doing it with portions >> wouldn't necessarily be too difficult, though; you only need one slave >> contract, which can be amended to add parties actions as

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2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: > Ah yes; my trigger publicises the whole contract. Doing it with portions > wouldn't necessarily be too difficult, though; you only need one slave > contract, which can be amended to add parties actions as needed. My whole point is, sure you can do that, but it

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2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 10:17 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I have at least one private contract with a trigger that does exactly > > that. I think in this case, needing such a trigger is a good thing, so > > that everyone knows the details of the actions that are being taken; why > > require simulta

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2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: > On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 09:35 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> AGAINST. This should allow Private contracts to do so as well (if >> the contract detail is published when the act is performed). >> Otherwise, we'd just make zoop around it with some weirdness like "in >

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2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM, comex wrote: >> I don't think that would work as it would require acting on behalf to >> create the public contract. > > The parties to a contract can agree to it secretly and have it become > a public contract upon one o

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2009-07-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 09:35 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > AGAINST. This should allow Private contracts to do so as well (if > the contract detail is published when the act is performed). > Otherwise, we'd just make zoop around it with some weirdness like "in > this private contract, the contract

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2009-07-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, comex wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> 6402 D 1 3.0 woggle              Regulating Act-on-Behalf >> AGAINST.  This should allow Private contracts to do so as well (if >> the contract detail is published when the act is performed). >> Otherwise, w

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2009-07-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM, comex wrote: > I don't think that would work as it would require acting on behalf to > create the public contract. The parties to a contract can agree to it secretly and have it become a public contract upon one of them publishing the contract and a list of its par

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2009-07-06 Thread comex
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> 6402 D 1 3.0 woggle              Regulating Act-on-Behalf > AGAINST.  This should allow Private contracts to do so as well (if > the contract detail is published when the act is performed). > Otherwise, we'd just make zoop around it with some w