DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-27 Thread Ian Kelly
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > comex wrote: >> CoE: Neither ais523 nor ehird has 100 points. > Grr, I was hoping nobody would notice. Anyway, that was only the first > part of this particular scam. Here goes: It seems to me that the claim that ais523

Re: BUS: RE: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > But what is truth? Is truth a changing law? > We both have truths-- are mine the same as yours? And here I am with insufficient glitter on my sandals.

Re: BUS: RE: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > I call for judgement on the following statement: "It is possible to > take a game action even in a message which includes the disclaimer > in the evidence section." But what is truth? Is truth a changing law? We both have truths-- are mine the same as yours? (Watch these message

Re: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 22 May 2008 4:55:15 Alexander Smith wrote: > Just because I didn't claim my claim of identity to be true, and > explicitly refrained from saying that it was true or false, doesn't > mean that it isn't a public document. You fundamentally cannot publish a statement without claiming it t

RE: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > Just because something is not claimed to be true doesn't prevent it being > a game action, or, as in this case, a claim of identity.) It does if the game action itself is stating or denying whether something is true!! -G.

RE: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > be a claim of identity. I can write "'This message was written by Goethe' > is a claim of identity" without lying, I'm pretty sure. You can write that without lying. But then, if there was any legal effect that required the message being actually w

RE: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > As an additional example, the CotC publishes the text of CFJs, even if > they are later judged FALSE. E certainly isn't claiming that the text of > every CFJ ever published is true. However, they are still public > documents, nevertheless. (They aren't

RE: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Alexander Smith
Goethe wrote: > Yep. The whole thing is a public document. R2149 says you take the > truth of the whole thing. If the whole thing isn't a claim, then it > isn't a claim and isn't an action in this case. Either your DISCLAIMER > disclaims your earlier sentence for all legal purposes, or no leg

RE: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > Pavitra wrote: >> Actually, I think the DISCLAIMER works, due to R2149's "truth or >> falsity of the whole" clause. Fortunately, this same disclaimer also >> means that e did not publish eir claim of identity (and hence score). >> ais523's attempt is

RE: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Alexander Smith
ais523 wrote: > Pavitra wrote: > > Actually, I think the DISCLAIMER works, due to R2149's "truth or > > falsity of the whole" clause. Fortunately, this same disclaimer also > > means that e did not publish eir claim of identity (and hence score). > > ais523's attempt is legal and ineffective. > Jus

RE: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Alexander Smith
Pavitra wrote: > Actually, I think the DISCLAIMER works, due to R2149's "truth or > falsity of the whole" clause. Fortunately, this same disclaimer also > means that e did not publish eir claim of identity (and hence score). > ais523's attempt is legal and ineffective. Just because I didn't claim m

Re: DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Ben Caplan
On Thursday 22 May 2008 4:31:18 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Boy, what a bunch of lying going on. I hope y'all others can teach > these folks that a purposeful lie is a purposeful lie, whether or > not it also happens to be a game action (and DISCLAIMERS to the > contrary notwithstanding). Actually, I

DIS: RE: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
Boy, what a bunch of lying going on. I hope y'all others can teach these folks that a purposeful lie is a purposeful lie, whether or not it also happens to be a game action (and DISCLAIMERS to the contrary notwithstanding). On Thu, 22 May 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > ihope wrote: >> Claim of

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: [CotC] CFJ 1961 assigned to Pavitra

2008-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Alexander Smith wrote: > That doesn't seem undecidable; when two rules contradict, one takes > precedence. The contradiction here is not of the usual sort, but the > fact that you've shown a loop means that a contradiction does exist. > Contradictions should be broken in favou