Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-05 Thread Pavitra
On 06/05/2011 02:28 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Elliott Hird wrote: On 5 June 2011 02:08, wrote: Incidentally, apathy is the only thing turning the points+promises economy from a combination of well-tested and innovative gameplay into degeneracy. Do we really have to toss it ou

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 4 Jun 2011, Pavitra wrote: > On 06/04/2011 09:06 PM, ais523 wrote: > > On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 21:03 -0500, Pavitra wrote: > > > What was it about the AAA specifically that made it successful? Was it > > > that it was run in the private sector and so mostly insulated from the > > > rest of

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 5 Jun 2011, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 5 June 2011 02:08, wrote: > > Incidentally, apathy is the only thing turning the points+promises economy > > from a combination of well-tested and innovative gameplay into degeneracy.   > > Do we really have to toss it out already? > > We are the g

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-04 07:19 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: On 5 June 2011 03:10, Pavitra wrote: Is it possible that 'grindy' is a virtue here? Maybe we need light, goofy condiments on a solid, grindy base. FWIW, I never played the AAA because it looked intensely boring to memorise. When comex wrote a perfect

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Sean Hunt
On 11-06-04 07:19 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: On 5 June 2011 03:10, Pavitra wrote: Is it possible that 'grindy' is a virtue here? Maybe we need light, goofy condiments on a solid, grindy base. FWIW, I never played the AAA because it looked intensely boring to memorise. When comex wrote a perfect

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
On 5 June 2011 03:10, Pavitra wrote: > Is it possible that 'grindy' is a virtue here? Maybe we need light, goofy > condiments on a solid, grindy base. FWIW, I never played the AAA because it looked intensely boring to memorise. When comex wrote a perfect-play algorithm for Bayes in about forty l

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Pavitra
On 06/04/2011 09:06 PM, ais523 wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 21:03 -0500, Pavitra wrote: What was it about the AAA specifically that made it successful? Was it that it was run in the private sector and so mostly insulated from the rest of the ruleset? Was it that it had several types of assets th

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread ais523
On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 21:03 -0500, Pavitra wrote: > What was it about the AAA specifically that made it successful? Was it > that it was run in the private sector and so mostly insulated from the > rest of the ruleset? Was it that it had several types of assets that > interacted with each other

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Pavitra
On 06/04/2011 08:55 PM, ais523 wrote: On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 20:51 -0500, Pavitra wrote: On 06/04/2011 08:08 PM, com...@gmail.com wrote: Incidentally, apathy is the only thing turning the points+promises economy from a combination of well-tested and innovative gameplay into degeneracy. Do we re

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread ais523
On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 20:51 -0500, Pavitra wrote: > On 06/04/2011 08:08 PM, com...@gmail.com wrote: > > Incidentally, apathy is the only thing turning the points+promises > > economy from a combination of well-tested and innovative gameplay > > into degeneracy. Do we really have to toss it out alr

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Pavitra
On 06/04/2011 08:08 PM, com...@gmail.com wrote: Incidentally, apathy is the only thing turning the points+promises economy from a combination of well-tested and innovative gameplay into degeneracy. Do we really have to toss it out already? Apathy is a specific problem, and we should look for a

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
On 5 June 2011 02:08, wrote: > Incidentally, apathy is the only thing turning the points+promises economy > from a combination of well-tested and innovative gameplay into degeneracy.   > Do we really have to toss it out already? We are the game's worst enemy.

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread comexk
Incidentally, apathy is the only thing turning the points+promises economy from a combination of well-tested and innovative gameplay into degeneracy. Do we really have to toss it out already? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2011, at 8:58 PM, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 4 June 2011 18:07, Pavitra

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Elliott Hird
On 4 June 2011 18:07, Pavitra wrote: > (On the other hand, I seem to remember that the People's Bank of Agora > failed spectacularly, so perhaps a bit of fuzz is a good thing.) Only because the economy as a whole collapsed due to apathy. The PBA had bugs, mostly in its recordkeeper, but it was so

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Pavitra
On 06/04/2011 03:34 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Rule 1946/9 (Power=1) Distribution of Voting Entitlements That strikes me as the type of usually-close-enough approach that tends to work best in practice, but I still feel like we can do better than that. (On the other hand, I seem to remember that

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 4 Jun 2011, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 22:10 -0700, Sean Hunt wrote: > > On 06/03/11 22:01, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > > > Is it infinitely divisible? If not, how many units are there? Is the > > > total quantity fixed, or is the ratio of coins to players fixed? If the >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: > As another take, the number of coins could be directly tied to the > number of players; if a player leaves, all their coins are destroyed, > and then N coins or the total amount of coins in everything's > possession are destroyed so that the le

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/03/11 22:26, Benjamin Caplan wrote: The second option would probably be more work than it's worth for the recordkeepor. And has an unfortunate effect if all of Wooble's coins are owned by others. -scshunt

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread Benjamin Caplan
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 22:10 -0700, Sean Hunt wrote: > On 06/03/11 22:01, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > > Is it infinitely divisible? If not, how many units are there? Is the > > total quantity fixed, or is the ratio of coins to players fixed? If the > > latter, what happens if someone deregisters with f

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread Tanner Swett
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Is it infinitely divisible? If not, how many units are there? Is the > total quantity fixed, or is the ratio of coins to players fixed? If the > latter, what happens if someone deregisters with fewer than N coins? There are 21 million units

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread Elliott Hird
On 4 June 2011 06:10, Sean Hunt wrote: > Not infinitely divisible; not sure about quantity of coins. Not yet sure how > to handle players coming in and out - thoughts? Aww; infinitely divisible sounds fun. Wrt players registering, you could just rob everyone else, and similarly redistribute ever

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > I kind of want to experiment with a zero-sum currency. Some actions, such as > raising the AI for a proposal, would be paid to the person maligned (the > author of the proposal). Other actions would be paid into some system of > roughly equally d

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread Sean Hunt
On 06/03/11 22:01, Benjamin Caplan wrote: Is it infinitely divisible? If not, how many units are there? Is the total quantity fixed, or is the ratio of coins to players fixed? If the latter, what happens if someone deregisters with fewer than N coins? Not infinitely divisible; not sure about q

Re: DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread Benjamin Caplan
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 21:37 -0700, Sean Hunt wrote: > I kind of want to experiment with a zero-sum currency. Some actions, > such as raising the AI for a proposal, would be paid to the person > maligned (the author of the proposal). Other actions would be paid into > some system of roughly equal

DIS: Competitive payments

2011-06-03 Thread Sean Hunt
I kind of want to experiment with a zero-sum currency. Some actions, such as raising the AI for a proposal, would be paid to the person maligned (the author of the proposal). Other actions would be paid into some system of roughly equally distributing officer salaries. Thoughts? -scshunt