Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/31/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: root wrote: > My keyboard hereby registers as a player, and none of you can judge > otherwise. Your keyboard is a pineapple. Now we've come full circle. Also, can you prove you have the consent of your keyboard to bind em to an agreement? Or

DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin
root wrote: > My keyboard hereby registers as a player, and none of you can judge > otherwise. Your keyboard is a pineapple. Now we've come full circle. Also, can you prove you have the consent of your keyboard to bind em to an agreement? Or to act on eir behalf? Otherwise you've violated on

DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin
Eris wrote: > How do you get "PP is a not a person -> PP is a person"? I must have > missed that bit. Oop, my misconstruction, it looked like in your original quote you were replying to this sentence: > Funny, that's exactly what I claimed when I said my deregistration > paradox couldn't be reso

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-31 Thread Taral
On 5/31/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: so Eris's claim doesn't resolve the original ~P -> P -> ~P -> (...) paradox at all. Unless I misunderstood her first statement. How do you get "PP is a not a person -> PP is a person"? I must have missed that bit. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/31/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ian Kelly wrote: >how does >"the Pineapple Partnership is not not a person" imply "the Pineapple >Partnership is not a person"? It would if the PP's judgement of CFJ 1623 were appealed and r

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-31 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: >how does >"the Pineapple Partnership is not not a person" imply "the Pineapple >Partnership is not a person"? It would if the PP's judgement of CFJ 1623 were appealed and reversed by the appeal board. -zefram

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/31/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Zefram wrote: > Specifically, I think, "the Pineapple Partnership is not a person". Problem is, if (as Eris claims) it's a general rule that (~P -> P) -> P, then we could also say (~Q -> Q) -> Q, where Q = ~P. so Eris's claim doesn't resolve t

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-31 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/31/07, Michael Slone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In classical logic, (~P -> P) -> P is a tautology, since ~P -> P is equivalent to P. ((~P -> P) <-> P) -> ((~P -> P) -> P) -root

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-31 Thread Michael Slone
On 5/31/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Problem is, if (as Eris claims) it's a general rule that (~P -> P) -> P, In classical logic, (~P -> P) -> P is a tautology, since ~P -> P is equivalent to P. -- C. Maud Image (Michael Slone) You people and your aberrant languages.

DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-31 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: > Specifically, I think, "the Pineapple Partnership is not a person". Problem is, if (as Eris claims) it's a general rule that (~P -> P) -> P, then we could also say (~Q -> Q) -> Q, where Q = ~P. so Eris's claim doesn't resolve the original ~P -> P -> ~P -> (...) paradox at all.

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-31 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: >But I'm confused. What precisely is P supposed to represent in this context? Specifically, I think, "the Pineapple Partnership is not a person". -zefram

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-30 Thread Taral
On 5/30/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: P -> (~P -> P) But I'm confused. What precisely is P supposed to represent in this context? Any proposition. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unknown

DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
root wrote: > But I'm confused. What precisely is P supposed to represent in this context? not P.

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/30/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eris wrote: > (~P -> P) -> P P -> ~~P (~~P -> ~P) -> ~P P -> (~P -> P) But I'm confused. What precisely is P supposed to represent in this context? -root

DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
Eris wrote: > (~P -> P) -> P P -> ~~P (~~P -> ~P) -> ~P

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-30 Thread Taral
On 5/29/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: root wrote: > And therein lies the problem with appealing the > judgments: in the event that they're overturned, they never existed, > and the appeal is thus just as invalid as the original judgments. Funny, that's exactly what I claimed when I

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-30 Thread Ian Kelly
For example, what happens if Murphy's CFJ (not the PPs) is appealed? If it's sustainted, it's sustained, the opponents will have had a fair hearing. If the majority of justices agree it should be overturned, it can be Reassigned, with strong arguments suggesting overturning, and Appellate Orders

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On 5/29/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: root wrote: > And therein lies the problem with appealing the > judgments: in the event that they're overturned, they never existed, > and the appeal is thus just as invalid as the original judgments. Funny, that's exactly what I claimed when I

DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
root wrote: > And therein lies the problem with appealing the > judgments: in the event that they're overturned, they never existed, > and the appeal is thus just as invalid as the original judgments. For example, what happens if Murphy's CFJ (not the PPs) is appealed? If it's sustainted, it's su

DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
root wrote: > And therein lies the problem with appealing the > judgments: in the event that they're overturned, they never existed, > and the appeal is thus just as invalid as the original judgments. Funny, that's exactly what I claimed when I said my deregistration paradox couldn't be resolved

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-25 Thread Michael Slone
On 5/26/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I interpret the lack of appeal as indicating general acceptance of the judge's interpretation. I realize I'm just one person and not even a player. But for what it's worth, I don't accept Judge Goethe's arguments on CFJ 1622, allegedly called by

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-25 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: On 5/22/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Zefram wrote: > * of Yin Corp: Yin Corp, Yang Corp > * of Yang Corp: Yin Corp, Yang Corp Brilliant! You know, I'm amazed that three folks didn't appeal the original (self-interested) judgements that said partnerships could be pla

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-22 Thread comex
On 5/22/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Trial judge selection is at the discretion of the CotC, but Justice selection is random. I have never knowingly cheated on a random determination in this game (or for that matter, knowingly cheated or lied in the fora, saving in a game of Mafia

DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
Maud wrote: > There was no reason to believe that the appeal would be handled > fairly. Trial judge selection is at the discretion of the CotC, but Justice selection is random. I have never knowingly cheated on a random determination in this game (or for that matter, knowingly cheated or lied i

Re: DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-22 Thread Michael Slone
On 5/22/07, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You know, I'm amazed that three folks didn't appeal the original (self-interested) judgements that said partnerships could be players in the first place. There was no reason to believe that the appeal would be handled fairly. -- C. Maud Image

DIS: BUS: Re: yin & yang

2007-05-22 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: > * of Yin Corp: Yin Corp, Yang Corp > * of Yang Corp: Yin Corp, Yang Corp Brilliant! You know, I'm amazed that three folks didn't appeal the original (self-interested) judgements that said partnerships could be players in the first place. -Goethe