Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
Agora might be a cooperative, along with the many other things it is. -o > On Feb 9, 2019, at 11:31 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I’ve always thought of Agora as more of a non-profit corporation, although > I guess it’s currently an unincorporated association. Walruses were an > asset once, w

Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-11 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Monday, February 11, 2019 6:56 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Agora has 1,000+ coins, and attempts to transfer coins "to the Ruleset (as a > contract)" would either transfer the coin to Agora, or attempt to transfer > to a nonexistent entity (leading to the question being malformed). Don't suppose I

Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-11 Thread D Margaux
> On Feb 11, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > The current Contract definition is here in R1742: > > Any group of two or more consenting persons (the parties) may > > make an agreement among themselves with the intention that it be > > binding upon them and be governed by

Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-11 Thread Kerim Aydin
Judgement Protos: CFJ: "The Ruleset (as a contract) now has 1 coin." Agreements are things people naturally make, as part of being social animals. A game is generally a natural, social agreement to abide by a specific set of rules for a time. Agora is, by common definition and natural pract

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-10 Thread Aris Merchant
I am very skeptical that R869 is broken, but I’ll be interested to hear your ruling. -Aris On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 6:05 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > If no one has favored these CFJs, I do so. > > When D. Margaux explained eir scam to me privately at the beginning of the > week, we had an interesti

Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-09 Thread Aris Merchant
I’ve always thought of Agora as more of a non-profit corporation, although I guess it’s currently an unincorporated association. Walruses were an asset once, weren’t they... I seem to recall reading an old CFJ that mentioned them once. -Aris On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 4:32 PM David Nicol wrote: > I

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019, Cuddle Beam wrote: - You can change the rules if everyone agrees to it, without needing a proposal for it. R1742: "A contract may be modified, including by changing the set of parties, by agreement between all existing parties." That rule has too low power to trump the safe

Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-09 Thread David Nicol
I've always thought that Agora -- should it wish to grow a commercial pseudopod -- would make sense as an independent dispute resolution venue, for real world contracts. This would amount to essentially hanging out a shingle as an arbitration service. Prerequisite of course would be allowing for su

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-09 Thread Gaelan Steele
The proposal that put our current contact system into place said “destroy all contracts.” Luckily, it was before the rule defined “contract” was created, so it’s probably fine. (Also, our safeguards probably would have cleaned things up) Gaelan > On Feb 9, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote:

Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-09 Thread Aris Merchant
Yeah, it’s hard to argue that they aren’t a contract. There have been times in the past when that’s been explicitly specified (well, at least that they’re construed as if they’re a contract between the players). -Aris On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 9:44 AM Reuben Staley wrote: > Upon my first reading,

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-09 Thread Reuben Staley
Actually, the CFJ I submitted was not to the public forum, so it doesn't count. But you seem to have covered it up pretty well, so I won't resubmit. On 2/9/19 11:36 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: I submit the following CFJ, and I suggest the same Judge to be assigned to both (it's trivially False if Tr

Re: DIS: Agora itself is a contract

2019-02-09 Thread Reuben Staley
Upon my first reading, this didn't surprise me that much. It makes sense that these systems would look similar because AFAIK Contracts were actually modeled after the rules. However, then I realized that CFJ 3664 where G. and D. Margaux informally agreed to do something but because it satisfied