On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 6:48 PM ATMunn wrote:
> I vote as follows:
>
> > 8058* V.J. Rada 1.0 Medal of Honour Auctions V.J. Rada
> PRESENT. The original intent of Medals of Honour would be for the person
> deemed most honorable to get them, not whoever is the richest.
> > 8059* G.
CFJ: The Herald may amend the tournament regulations without objection.
CFJ: At least one Agoran regulation exists.
-Aris
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:22 PM Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I didn't think about that problem, as I didn't read the previous sentence
> carefu
I didn't think about that problem, as I didn't read the previous sentence
carefully enough. I still think it works, because to "initiate a sanctioned
tournament with a specified, finalized set of regulations, Without 3
Objections" pretty clearly means that the proposed regulations become
regulation
*Sigh* I hadn't seen that previous message. Apparently my email from the
lists was disabled because of bounces around July 1, and messages from a-o
and a-b only started arriving again today. a-d was still disabled when I
checked on the web. I just thought you were being really quiet...
Given r
You have my support, anyway.
On 7/5/2018 2:59 AM, Aris Merchant wrote:
Unless a consensus forms one way or the other, I'll implement your
paper removal suggestion in a separate proposal contingent on this one
passing.
As for the economic argument, I disagree, for reasons I really should
have sp
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:21 PM Aris Merchant
wrote:
>
> Okay. We all agree that the land system has problems. What we don't
> seem to agree on is how to fix them. I invite proposals. In a week, I
> will run an instant runoff vote of every option proposed. Doing
> nothing will be an option. At the
Okay. We all agree that the land system has problems. What we don't
seem to agree on is how to fix them. I invite proposals. In a week, I
will run an instant runoff vote of every option proposed. Doing
nothing will be an option. At the end of that decision, I will request
that all players vote for
But if Sentence 1 "fails completely" can I promulgate those regulations
in the first place using this method?
On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
> Whoops. Sorry, I missed those in my proposals. Free Tournaments are
> just plain broken, because, as you say the rules require an officer.
> T
Whoops. Sorry, I missed those in my proposals. Free Tournaments are
just plain broken, because, as you say the rules require an officer.
The birthday tournament should still work though. The dubious section
is "By doing so e promulgates those regulations as a special temporary
title of the ACORN. T
On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, Rebecca wrote:
> >>If P8062 is REJECTED, FOR; otherwise AGAINST.
>
> These conditionals do not work because these are evaluated at the end of
> the voting period, which is before the resolution of proposals.
Some language used in the past was "If the outcome of this would
You sure can if you think this one doesn't have a chance of passing.
On 07/05/2018 05:22 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
Trigon, do you want to write up a modified proposal on that basis? If
not, I'll write something up for the next distribution, which may be
soon.
-Aris
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:21 PM
Trigon, do you want to write up a modified proposal on that basis? If
not, I'll write something up for the next distribution, which may be
soon.
-Aris
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:21 PM Rebecca wrote:
>
> We fundamentally should not entirely repeal our current official currency
> until there is a new
We fundamentally should not entirely repeal our current official currency
until there is a new one. The vestiges of land should go. But coins and
paydays should stay as a stopgap, at least.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 9:17 AM, Reuben Staley
wrote:
> On 07/05/2018 05:10 PM, Rebecca wrote:
>
>> 8062*
On 07/05/2018 05:10 PM, Rebecca wrote:
8062* Trigon 3.0 The End of the World, Again Trigon
AGAINST (zombies are not broken and very fun, as are auctions. this is too
sweeping. land repeal is fine).
And how do you propose we do auctions if repealing land gets rid of all
our curren
So the Tournament rules still reference the ACORN. Further, the new
definition of Regulations requires an Officer while Free Tournaments
implies that no officer is needed for that kind of Tournament.
Aris, can you give a read of the tournament rules w.r.t. the new
Regulations rule and opine
I vote as follows
8058* V.J. Rada 1.0 Medal of Honour Auctions V.J. Rada
FOR
8059* G. 1.0 honour is its own reward G.
AGAINST
8060* V.J. Rada 1.8 Notary-B-Gone V.J. Rada
FOR
8061+ Aris 1.0 Free Proposals
The map is going to be repealed soon. Also if it wasn't, there's still only
two dimensions on it.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 14:52 David Nicol wrote:
> You seem to have limited your board to two dimensions, which might be by
> design instead of oversight. On the other hand, Agora Lands are probably
>
You seem to have limited your board to two dimensions, which might be by
design instead of oversight. On the other hand, Agora Lands are probably 2D.
see http://tipjar.com/games/CHESS/FullBoardStrongKnights.html which was of
course inspired by
FRC round 256, which involved playing chess in a small
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 12:16 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > I'd suggest we make proposals free, drop zombies, and go back to the one
> > blot per week removal scheme. Then we enact another enconomy, and see if
> > the zombies are not so OP in that system.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:36 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> O
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, Reuben Staley wrote:
> > And there came a day when the Agoran people could do nothing but watch
> as the
> > world fell apart around them. All manner of disasters, natural or
> otherwise,
> > ravaged the world and force
On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
> I'd suggest we make proposals free, drop zombies, and go back to the one
> blot per week removal scheme. Then we enact another enconomy, and see if
> the zombies are not so OP in that system.
How are they OP since the reforms?
[I'm going to send my initial judgement to Discussion each time to keep
chatter in BUS down - will finalize in BUS ~once a day.]
The Court finds this VALID and instructs the Clerk to number it FRC-1.
Fits the style - be it hereby noted that this is granted +1 Style as a
baseline for future en
I'd suggest we make proposals free, drop zombies, and go back to the one
blot per week removal scheme. Then we enact another enconomy, and see if
the zombies are not so OP in that system.
-Aris
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 12:02 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> The "replacement" should be independent and
The "replacement" should be independent and after the repeal (not that
discussing it is bad but that should be wholly separate). Trying to do
a "bridge" from shinies to Land was one of the places where compromises
bogged down the start.
OTOH, are we talking about getting rid of zombies too? B
Sure. It just doesn't feel great to repeal something you've worked hard on.
What should we replace it with? I'd like to see my pending system as a part
of the repeal. Other than that... maybe re adopt the Alexis's Party system?
We all agreed that it was fun to play, apart from some bugs, which cou
If it's worth anything, I don't blame you for this mechanic failing.
On 7/5/2018 12:48 PM, Corona wrote:
I was the one to advocate early release with bugs fixed through
playtesting, and I'm guilty of abandoning my reform plans too, I'm sorry.
An important point I'd like to make (for future econ
If you're in the mood for a farm/grind game, these rules fun to play once
you have 4+ reasonably contiguous land units to get some production going,
some currency still (you didn't go broke getting those land units), and when
reports are very strictly up-to-date. Trying to get to that point thr
I was the one to advocate early release with bugs fixed through
playtesting, and I'm guilty of abandoning my reform plans too, I'm sorry.
An important point I'd like to make (for future economies if the current
one can't be salvaged): I'm not sure where I read it anymore, but Agora is
supposed to
It's okay. I was a newer player, in over my head, who didn't have a
great grasp of Agoran language, who would turn out to be a bad officer.
But it was an interesting mechanic for a while.
And thanks for offering to write up the repeal proposal, but I think it
would only be appropriate that I f
I hate to do this, but I'm going to write up a full repeal. They're
interesting mechanics, but they just don't seem to be much fun to play. I
have a feeling that the problems are systemic enough that no amount of
tweaking will actually fix them. I'm sorry. I know you worked hard on this.
-Aris
O
I think, as buggy as some of these steps have been, just as big an issue is
dealing with Agoran engagement: "Design a board game for 6 people, but make
it so that half the people can say 'pass' on their turns for the first 5
turns and still be competitive with people who don't pass... oh, and a
If we want to "fix" Arcadia, we need to figure out what the underlying
issues are. So what /are/ the issues with these mechanics?
I did not take zombies into consideration when writing up the original
PAoaM proposal. Zombies provided a cheap way to get double your monthly
income when I wanted
Eh, mark me as someone who would be burned out.
It took - hmm, a few months play, a coin/corn bug, and a big payroll from
zombies to open up the board (for everyone) and get some land enough to get
to this point.
At this point - with several land - I'm starting to get into the worker
placement
I actually think it would be more frustrating to carry out the reforms
_without_ a reset, because the reforms might ruin plans people had been forming
or make their previous facility setup suboptimal. Someone (I think it was G.?)
said a few days ago that e'd stop playing if the reforms passed. A
Reply-to is the worst.
On 07/05/2018 10:33 AM, Reuben Staley wrote:
As in resetting the map and giving everyone a welcome-package-sized
amount of resources and making a little spawn island? It might work,
considering that that reform plan was supposed to fix balancing issues.
But also I think
What about just resetting the economy (to the same state as when it was
enacted) while implementing Trigon's planned reforms?
~Corona
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> And yeah, not to do with paper, but on the Coins side I'm done
> here.
> I'll support a full r
And yeah, not to do with paper, but on the Coins side I'm done here.
I'll support a full repeal of this mess. Restraint is not something that
everyone does well.
On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, Corona wrote:
> I bid 32 coins in auction 1.
> I bid 34 coins in auction 5.
>
> ~Corona
>
> On Mon, J
The fact is, there is such a glut of paper that no one who is "playing"
the minigame is bothering to try to produce it. It's not a barrier.
It is, as you say, a "stop and think" barrier. That's a good thing.
And it's not a requirement to "play" given that no one is using the
paper to "play".
Perhaps we shouldn't have an "economy". Perhaps we should have a
mini-game that people play because they enjoy it. I don't see terribly
many people actively participating in the economy because they want
paper. At same time, I do see paper making the main game less fun for
players. If the economy i
Here's a draft. Attn. G. and twg: you have proposals you may wish to pend.
-Aris
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I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
quorum is 5.0 [1]
No, the economy shouldn't be optional. The only way to encourage engagement
with it is to make it unoptional in some way, which it really isn't now.
CFJs should always be free. Proposals can and should be interacted with.
Paper is a super feels-bad unfun way to do it. Better, though, than nothing.
Unless a consensus forms one way or the other, I'll implement your
paper removal suggestion in a separate proposal contingent on this one
passing.
As for the economic argument, I disagree, for reasons I really should
have spelled out when submitting the proposal. The problem isn't that
people don'
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