DIS: Re: BUS: Hot potato

2010-02-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, comex wrote: > I announce the ceremonial shelling of the palace. > > Since I did not Form a Government, the coup is a chicken coup. > Therefore, the following obligation applies: > > When a chicken coup is begun, the Admiral of the Navy SHALL, if > possible, and as s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hot potato

2010-02-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, comex wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Heh.  I may write a cron job for an unlucky recipient, but how is this >> different then when a person becomes an officer just before the end >> of a week with a report due?  (i.e. DISCHARGE is appropriate

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hot potato

2010-02-23 Thread comex
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Heh.  I may write a cron job for an unlucky recipient, but how is this > different then when a person becomes an officer just before the end > of a week with a report due?  (i.e. DISCHARGE is appropriate if warning > is less than 4 days, and ce

DIS: Re: BUS: Hot potato

2010-02-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, comex wrote: > Admiral of the Navy is not an office, but it is a "position" (R2255), > so I argue that this obligation falls under the same class as office > duties. By CFJ 2674 and, indirectly, CFJ 1702, obligations follow the > office, so whoever owns Admiral of the Navy in

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] The New Government

2010-02-23 Thread comex
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > On 02/23/2010 05:54 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> >> I become active. I change my Chamber to Purple. > > I become active. > > I CFJ, II=1 {My Title is Purple} > > Is attempting to change a switch I don't have but with the same value as one > I have suf

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] The New Government

2010-02-23 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:04 PM, comex wrote: > Hear ye, hear ye!  ais523 is now the speaker. > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >> I come off hold. > > Hear ye, hear ye!  coppro is now the Speaker. > >> I Form a Government: >> c.       - Chief Whip >> Yally    - Cabinet Secret

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] The New Government

2010-02-23 Thread comex
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > This too fails for the reasons I quoted on c.'s post. Oh. You're right. Guess I'm bad at getting things right the first time. -- -c.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] The New Government

2010-02-23 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > On 02/23/2010 05:50 PM, comex wrote: >> >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Sean Hunt  wrote: >>> >>> I Form the following Government: >>> >>> Minister without Portfolio - Murphy >>> Justiciar - ais523 >>> Chief Whip - comex >>> Admiral of the Na

DIS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] The New Government

2010-02-23 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > I Form the following Government: > > Minister without Portfolio - Murphy > Justiciar - ais523 > Chief Whip - comex > Admiral of the Navy - Tiger > Majority Leader - coppro > > I go on hold. > > -coppro This fails. You didn't assign Cabinet Secre

Re: DIS: external entity question

2010-02-23 Thread Sean Hunt
On 02/23/2010 12:39 PM, David Nicol wrote: Question: what support if any do the rules currently have for non-agoran entities? And if support exists, are any agorans in the mood to sponsor a non-agoran entity (like, a corporation) in some way? Please respond with specific proposals off-list, gener

Re: DIS: external entity question

2010-02-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, David Nicol wrote: > Question: what support if any do the rules currently have for > non-agoran entities? And if support exists, are any agorans in the > mood to sponsor a non-agoran entity (like, a corporation) in some way? > Please respond with specific proposals off-list, g

DIS: external entity question

2010-02-23 Thread David Nicol
Question: what support if any do the rules currently have for non-agoran entities? And if support exists, are any agorans in the mood to sponsor a non-agoran entity (like, a corporation) in some way? Please respond with specific proposals off-list, general answers on.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6621 - 6634

2010-02-23 Thread comex
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Interesting.  But I can think of at least one half-parsing of R106 so > that this bug isn't there (I'll think about it a bit and read it back > and forth before posting, I'm not wholly convinced either way). > > Since rulesets don't ratify, if

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6621 - 6634

2010-02-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, ais523 wrote: > I must come clean on this, now it's relevant; the whole argument is > moot, due to another scam I inserted in the ruleset a while back (and > again, never got a chance to use). The current first paragraph of rule > 106 implies that when a proposal takes effect,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6621 - 6634

2010-02-23 Thread comex
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Ooh another fun "Proposal != Decision to adopt said Proposal" bug. > Well-spotted.  Is this really the first time it's mattered for a veto > move?  -G. FWIW, that text has only been there since last August (P6414); before, it read: Det

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6621 - 6634

2010-02-23 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 08:39 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Ooh another fun "Proposal != Decision to adopt said Proposal" bug. > Well-spotted. Is this really the first time it's mattered for a veto > move? -G. I've known about this one for months, but never successfully thought of a way to scam it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6621 - 6634

2010-02-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, comex wrote: >> I CFJ on the following sentence. Proposal 6632 successfully amended Rule >> 2282. I bar c. from being judge. > > Why would it? AI of the decision is only linked to AI of the proposal > at initiation: > > Determining whether to adopt a proposal is an Agora

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6621 - 6634

2010-02-23 Thread comex
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Ed Murphy >> wrote: >> > ID: 6632 >> > Title: Second Class Players Do Not Earn Ergs >> > Amend the text in rule 2282 reading: >> >> Amendment fails due to insufficient power. > > I CFJ on the following se

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Criminalize Gaming the System

2010-02-23 Thread comex
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > [As of now, players can easily submit any proposal as II=0 to avoid > paying the fee associated with making it Distributable.] Yes, but several people will vote against it for that reason. -- -c.