Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution 6226 - 6236

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: >> Dvorak Herring wrote: >> >>> 6226 Lock Alphas In D 2.0 1 comex >>> PRESENT >> All these proposals are apparently a bit short of quorum, so these >> votes do count. > The voting period had ended before eir votes (do they coun

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution 6257 - 6269

2009-05-03 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: > coppro wrote: > >>> 6261 An ambiguous proposal O 1.0 1 Quazie >> AGAINST x 5, this will fail utterly as it doesn't specify the powers of >> the new rules > > So? They'll default to Power = 1. Power defaults to 0, but a rule cannot have power less than

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution 6257 - 6269

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: >> 6261 An ambiguous proposal O 1.0 1 Quazie > AGAINST x 5, this will fail utterly as it doesn't specify the powers of > the new rules So? They'll default to Power = 1.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution 6226 - 6236

2009-05-03 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: > Dvorak Herring wrote: > >> 6226 Lock Alphas In D 2.0 1 comex >> PRESENT > > All these proposals are apparently a bit short of quorum, so these > votes do count. The voting period had ended before eir votes (do they count if you extend the v

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Emergency Distribution of Proposal 6237

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Dvorak Herring wrote: > 6237 Fix veto D 3.0 1 comex > FOR This one was also short of quorum.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution 6226 - 6236

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Dvorak Herring wrote: > 6226 Lock Alphas In D 2.0 1 comex > PRESENT All these proposals are apparently a bit short of quorum, so these votes do count.

DIS: Re: BUS: Machine readability

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > I transfer a prop from coppro to the PNP for breaking various automated > tools that used to parse proposal distributions. Ineffective, ownership of props is restricted to first-class players.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] The game goes on

2009-05-03 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Dvorak Herring wrote: > Submission for "Scamster-for-a-day": > Change the power of Rule 2228 below 1.7 thus not allowing it to secure Rests > at power 1.7. This would cause rests to be unsecured allowing one to create > and destroy rests at will. "Unsecured" doesn'

DIS: Re: BUS: Machine readability

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: > Benjamin Caplan wrote: >> I transfer a prop from coppro to the PNP for breaking various automated >> tools that used to parse proposal distributions. >> >> Pavitra >> > I transfer a prop from the PNP to myself. There's no reason the PNP > can't update eir scripts to read from my ne

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] The game goes on

2009-05-03 Thread Rodlen
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Dvorak Herring wrote: > Submission for "Scamster-for-a-day": > > Change the power of Rule 2228 below 1.7 thus not allowing it to secure > Rests at power 1.7. This would cause rests to be unsecured allowing one to > create and destroy rests at will. > > > -- > Dvorak

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New player registration

2009-05-03 Thread Elliott Hird
Bendaniel.us That's like me registering phillister.com On 2009-05-04, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Ben Daniel wrote: >>> I, a biological organism generally recognized by and commonly referred >>> to�by >>> the name of Ben Daniel,�wish to re

DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] The game goes on

2009-05-03 Thread Dvorak Herring
Submission for "Scamster-for-a-day": Change the power of Rule 2228 below 1.7 thus not allowing it to secure Rests at power 1.7. This would cause rests to be unsecured allowing one to create and destroy rests at will. -- Dvorak Herring

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Machine readability

2009-05-03 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Ed Murphy wrote: > Pavitra wrote: > >> I transfer a prop from coppro to the PNP for breaking various automated >> tools that used to parse proposal distributions. > > How many such tools are there? Revising the admin interface for the > Assessor DB wasn't too much trouble. At least one: the one

DIS: Re: BUS: Machine readability

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > I transfer a prop from coppro to the PNP for breaking various automated > tools that used to parse proposal distributions. How many such tools are there? Revising the admin interface for the Assessor DB wasn't too much trouble.

DIS: Re: BUS: [DM] (i)nventory

2009-05-03 Thread comex
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > I revoke 3 x-points from comex. > I revoke 2 x-points from Quazie. FISH KEYBOARD = hallucination. I revoke 3 y-points from comex. > I revoke 2 y-points from Tiger. EMAG EHT NIW UOY = concentration. > I award 1 y-point to Tiger. > I act on Tig

DIS: Re: BUS: New player registration

2009-05-03 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Ben Daniel wrote: >> I, a biological organism generally recognized by and commonly referred to�by >> the name of Ben Daniel,�wish to register as a new player. I missed this the first time around. Does anyone else think this sounds suspicio

DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Who Promised What

2009-05-03 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Alex Smith wrote: > (2009-05-01 Quazie) > > Page to be included 2009-05-01-quazie can not be found! Parties * Quazie Text I pledge to vote FOR any attempt to allow musicianship to be won by more than one player a year IF another player spends eir notes to expunge my current rests. Not

DIS: Re: BUS: [Cookie Jar] guesses

2009-05-03 Thread Sean Hunt
Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > For next week, I guess 14 proposals and 11 judicial cases. > I guess 29 proposals at 21 judicial cases.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 11:01 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: >> Goethe wrote: >> >>> By the way ais523, what do you think of the other question, on whether >>> "MAY with N Support" in general invokes dependent actions thus turning >>> a MAY into a CAN? >> >> Rule 172

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Interesting question

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > Well, one potentially worrying problem here; if a rule's text has a > lower power than the rule itself (say 0), then the text cannot affect > any aspect of the rule's operation. So how on earth does the rule know > what it's enforcing? > > Arguably, the text is part of the rule, t

DIS: Re: BUS: Interesting question

2009-05-03 Thread Taral
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: > I CFJ {A Rule and its text can have different power.} Please give arguments. -- Taral "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you." -- Unknown

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 11:01 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > Goethe wrote: > > > By the way ais523, what do you think of the other question, on whether > > "MAY with N Support" in general invokes dependent actions thus turning > > a MAY into a CAN? > > Rule 1728 includes this: > > A dependent a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > By the way ais523, what do you think of the other question, on whether > "MAY with N Support" in general invokes dependent actions thus turning > a MAY into a CAN? Rule 1728 includes this: A dependent action CAN be performed non-dependently as otherwise permitted by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 08:11 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> If the only action is "publishing >> certain information" (and any publication of said information is >> automatically such a Notice) that's covered by R101; other rul

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 08:11 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sun, 3 May 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: > > A public message claiming to be a game-defined entity (e.g. a > > distribution of proposals) is not generally that entity, but must > > match the circumstances defined for that entity (e.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 3 May 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: > A public message claiming to be a game-defined entity (e.g. a > distribution of proposals) is not generally that entity, but must > match the circumstances defined for that entity (e.g. being sent > by the Promotor). This would be very ni

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 07:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: >>> CFJ 1768 judged that rules 101 and 478 do not prevent Truthfulness >>> working, because lying isn't a method of participating in the fora. >>> Submitting an No

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > R101 says you can publish text. It doesn't say anything about what the > legal effect of doing so can or can't be. For example, you can publish > all the text of a Proposal Distribution, but it's not a Proposal > Distribution unless you're the Promotor. Similarly, R101 says yo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 07:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > > CFJ 1768 judged that rules 101 and 478 do not prevent Truthfulness > > working, because lying isn't a method of participating in the fora. > > Submitting an NoV, however, definitely is. > > Publishing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 3 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > CFJ 1768 judged that rules 101 and 478 do not prevent Truthfulness > working, because lying isn't a method of participating in the fora. > Submitting an NoV, however, definitely is. Publishing a text of claiming to be an NoV is participating. Whether or n

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Herald Must Announce a Change in Speaker

2009-05-03 Thread comex
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: >>>      As soon as possible after the Speaker changes, the Herald SHALL >> Suggest "identity of the Speaker changes". > > I hereby announce that the Speaker has changed into blue jeans and a > sharp-looking tan polo shirt. CoE: I have not.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Instant rests considered harmful

2009-05-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 17:20 -0400, comex wrote: > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Aaron Goldfein > wrote: > >> It's possible to publish an NoV by sending it to a public forum, no > >> matter what lower-power rules think on the matter. Rules 101 and 478, > >> both power-3, give us the right of par

Re: DIS: Proto-Contract: Industrial Bank & Agora

2009-05-03 Thread Charles Reiss
On 5/2/09 5:23 PM, comex wrote: > On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Charles Reiss wrote: > >> Also, I rather dislike >> the bias here towards currencies denominated in large units. How about a >> little less such bias, like: >> > I thought about having it depending on zm but this system is a