DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2009-02-12 Thread Warrigal
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:02 PM, comex wrote: > CFJ: It is possible to change the contestmaster of a contest through a > contract-defined dependent action. > > Arguments: Although Rule 2136 authorizes an existing contest to change > its contestmaster, Rule 1728 reads: > > A person CAN perform

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Act V

2009-02-12 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:55 PM, comex wrote: > I transfer one coin to the entity formerly known as Rule 2184. :P Fails; the entity formerly known as Rule 2184 is not a Comrade.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Act V

2009-02-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, comex wrote: > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Seems to be a part of Zefram's mass generalizations. Although even >> with the distinction, when something ceases to be a rule, it pretty >> much no longer exists in legal Agoran terms (at least in normal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Act V

2009-02-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, comex wrote: > Whether or not I attempted to repeal a rule, repealing doesn't destroy > the thing but merely cause it to "cease to be a rule", which > definitely counts as modifying an aspect of it. By Rule 105 it's > impossible to actually destroy a rule at power < 3. Ah, I

DIS: Re: BUS: Act V

2009-02-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Sgeo wrote: >> I win by Junta. > > Iff this works, and comex has no Rests, and previous assumptions of > wins are correct: > > comex gains the Patent Title of Champion, for Winning by Junta. comex > gains the Patent Title of Minister without Portfolio. The title of > Minister

DIS: Re: BUS: Act V

2009-02-12 Thread comex
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > You'll probably kill me for this, but even if it worked, you'll > probably have to CFJ on whether this was a win announcement. It's not, but a win announcement isn't required to win by Junta.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Act V

2009-02-12 Thread comex
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: > comex wrote: > >> I cause Rule 2238 to destroy Rule 2140 (Power Controls Mutability). > > Oh, honestly. Surely existence is a "substantive aspect" of an > instrument, thus triggering R2140(c) and blocking this. Destroying something is not alter

DIS: Re: BUS: Act V

2009-02-12 Thread Sgeo
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, comex wrote: >> I win by Junta. > > You'll probably kill me for this, but even if it worked, you'll > probably have to CFJ on whether this was a win announcement. > > I submit the following Proposal, "I did so win", AI-2:

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: You're *only* President for life

2009-02-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: > When a rule's text comes to have the exact form " more persons> CAN cause this rule to make arbitrary rule changes > by announcement." When a clause in a rule's text, not the whole text. -G.

DIS: Re: BUS: Act V

2009-02-12 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > I cause Rule 2238 to destroy Rule 2140 (Power Controls Mutability). Oh, honestly. Surely existence is a "substantive aspect" of an instrument, thus triggering R2140(c) and blocking this.

DIS: Re: BUS: Act V

2009-02-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, comex wrote: > * destroy arbitrary entities > I cause Rule 2238 to destroy Rule 2140 (Power Controls Mutability). Heh heh. Pro: "Destroy" is not very strongly regulated and not secured, etc. Anti: "Destroy" in the context of a Rule is a very reasonable synonym

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What is a proposal, anyway?

2009-02-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > Hmm... there are probably far more than two interpretations of what's > going on, just as in the previous one-hit wonders scam. I think it may > be a good step to identify what exactly they are. There are a couple orthogonal issues here. The first is whet

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What is a proposal, anyway?

2009-02-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > At this point, I'm more curious to see whether the escalation worked, > rather than eager to prove that it worked. I like scams, but I don't > like trying to convince people that scams worked when they blatantly > didn't. As for this one, I don't know; I st

DIS: Re: BUS: T

2009-02-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 14:23 +, Elliott Hird wrote: > I leave the AAA zombification contract. No you don't, that requires a week's notice. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What is a proposal, anyway?

2009-02-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 21:37 -0500, Warrigal wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > I call for judgement on the statement "Rule 2211 is a proposal." > > > > Arguments: the precedent of the famous CFJ 1656 implies that rule 2211 > > is a proposal (it states that anything mat